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Goldman Sachs: Why $30 Oil is 'Too Much of a Good Thing' for the U.S. Economy

Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:39 pm
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:39 pm
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But David Mericle and Daan Struyven, economists at Goldman Sachs Group, make the unconventional argument that higher oil prices would be a boon for U.S. growth by breaking down the three major avenues by which the level of crude impacts growth: investment, consumption, and trade.

The pair analyzed three scenarios in which Brent oil prices either fell to $30, recovered to $50, or rose to $70 by mid-2017 and stayed there for the year and a half, and the outcomes for the U.S. economy from 2016 through 2018 under each case.

Getting prices back to around $45 to $55 per barrel would provide a meaningful boost to U.S. capital spending, the economists note, as the breakeven prices for the three largest shale plays in the nation fall in this range.

If Brent returns to $70 per barrel by mid-2017, gross domestic product would be roughly 0.4 percentage points larger by the end of 2018 than if crude sank to $30 per barrel, according to Goldman's calculations.
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But if oil prices stay lower for longer, the U.S. consumer is the clear winner. While the extent to which households have elected to save rather than spend this energy windfall has proved surprising, Mericle and Struyven point out that "the consumption impact is likely less immediate and more prolonged than often assumed."

Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:42 pm to
Tell this to the many unemployed in South Louisiana that this is a "good" thing.
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:42 pm to
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Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:43 pm to
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But if oil prices stay lower for longer, the U.S. consumer is the clear winner.


This is all I care about.
Posted by Porker Face
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:44 pm to
These are also the people who forecasted oil would never drop below $80, $60, or $40 an barrel
Posted by dcrews
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:56 pm to
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Tell this to the many unemployed in South Louisiana that this is a "good" thing.


Good thing for me. Cheaper gas
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:56 pm to
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Tell this to the many unemployed in South Louisiana that this is a "good" thing.
well, it is
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:58 pm to
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Posted by tlsu15
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:59 pm to
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But if oil prices stay lower for longer, the U.S. consumer is the clear winner.


Damn Straight
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:04 pm to
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Tell this to the many unemployed in South Louisiana that this is a "good" thing.



I don't cheer for people losing their jobs, I have empathy. That being said, it's also tough to get mad at the people celebrating having to pay less for a good everyone uses. It wasn't helped by a lot of operators and such just shoving it in everyone's face when gas was high.
Posted by Forkbeard3777
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:04 pm to
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Tell this to the many unemployed in South Louisiana that this is a "good" thing.


Does the entire United States revolve around a sparse number of citizens?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:04 pm to
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Tell this to the many unemployed in South Louisiana that this is a "good" thing.


Some of them (not all) on here are the same ones whenever education and teacher pay comes up on this board drops:

"What'd you expect going into education? You get what you get"

"Maybe you shouldn't have gone to college for teaching if you wanted better pay"

So, did they not expect and plan for the ebb and flow of a industry that ebbs and flows?
Posted by bdevill
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:04 pm to
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Tell this to the many unemployed in South Louisiana that this is a "good" thing.


And to the Louisiana tax payers that were handed the highest sales tax rate in the country.
Posted by mjax57
Vinings, GA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:05 pm to
I guess the unemployed in South Louisiana are greater than the entire population of the United States?
Posted by bamarep
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:06 pm to
Low oil prices are a net gain for the US economy. FACT.
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:07 pm to
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Does the entire United States revolve around a sparse number of citizens?
No, but that sparse number of citizens are ultimately responsible for you heating and cooling your home - and driving your car (if they still have a job).
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:09 pm to
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So, did they not expect and plan for the ebb and flow of a industry that ebbs and flows?
Sure they do, just not a 70% downward ebb and flow.


Sorry you are a teacher
This post was edited on 4/4/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:09 pm to
Low gas prices certainly help the overall economy. But it's killing LA. That's the fault of shitty politicians and century-old thinking though.
Posted by LSUbase13
Mt. Pleasant, SC
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:09 pm to
I don't know have a dog in the fight and I'm certainly not for people being laid off or losing their jobs.

That said, my one "friend" who is in the oil business had a suburban, motorcycle, ATV, and a used Glastron boat.

He isn't married and has no kids. He loved to flaunt his toys like a grade A jackass.

I really don't feel bad if he is having to sell those off right now.
This post was edited on 4/4/16 at 3:11 pm
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:10 pm to
What a fricking awesome anecdotal story brah
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