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re: Freedom Defense Intiative in Garland, TX(Mohammed cartoon contest)- shots fired
Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:22 am to terd ferguson
Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:22 am to terd ferguson
That's there version on "baw"
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:31 am to TigerLicks
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And so non Muslims shouldn't be allowed to provoke or exercise 1st Amendment in the U.S.? Great thinking. LOL
The first amendment grants you certain protections from the government. It doesn't mean that I can say whatever I want and not expect backlash from other people.
What is the purpose of intentionally offending others? It would be one thing if they were trying to promote tasteful depictions of the prophet, but that's not what this event was about.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:34 am to Bmath
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It doesn't mean that I can say whatever I want and not expect backlash from other people.
With regard to violence, uhhh yes it definitely does.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:38 am to Bmath
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What is the purpose of intentionally offending others? It would be one thing if they were trying to promote tasteful depictions of the prophet, but that's not what this event was about.
Unfortunately nobody is going to let you make that argument today. You're either going to place all the blame on the cartoonists or you're going to glorify idiots like Pam Geller.
Personally, I think it's somewhat reckless to try and incite a response, which I think they're doing. I'm glad the crazies are dead, and I don't place the blame on the organizers. But if I was involved in that event and some cops had ended up dead because I wanted to aggravate Muslims, I'd feel pretty shitty.
There is arguably some value in pushing the oppressive elements of our society in their sensitive areas. If this was a natural response to those (like in France for example), rather than a manufactured one in a Dallas suburb by people who make a career out of being anti-Muslim, I might consider this in that category.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 8:40 am
Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:39 am to Lou Pai
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With regard to violence, uhhh yes it definitely does.
It does protect against governmental interference. It doesn't have much to do with you getting knocked out at a bar, and certainly shouldn't be relied on as protection in every day life.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:40 am to Lou Pai
im all about free speech and shite but these people that put on these types of contests need to realize that muslims are fanatical about their religion. you can do what you want but I think play stupid games win stupid prizes applies here. no different than going into the hood and saying what do you call mike tyson without no arms?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:43 am to diat150
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you can do what you want but I think play stupid games win stupid prizes applies here.
It sure does. Pull that terrorist shite in Texas and you'll get your fricking head blown off. The only people that won "stupid prizes" were the 2 camel frickers that got wasted before they could even jihad somebody. I hope wounding a security guard was worth it.
Aloha snackbar.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:11 am to Pettifogger
No, but it does mean that the state doesn't get to decide not to protect its citizenry because of a higher likelihood of outrage or violence from a certain group.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:17 am to Lou Pai
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quote: It doesn't mean that I can say whatever I want and not expect backlash from other people.
With regard to violence, uhhh yes it definitely does.
Legally, can you not be cited for inciting a riot? I am not saying that their violence is justified. Only that you can't expect to act like an a-hole and not be called out for it.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:20 am to Bmath
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And so non Muslims shouldn't be allowed to provoke or exercise 1st Amendment in the U.S.? Great thinking. LOL
The first amendment grants you certain protections from the government. It doesn't mean that I can say whatever I want and not expect backlash from other people.
What is the purpose of intentionally offending others? It would be one thing if they were trying to promote tasteful depictions of the prophet, but that's not what this event was about.
Yes, in fact, it does mean you can say what you want as long as it's not a public safety issue. The fact that the Muslims are willing to kill people over it means more people should speak out against them. They should be treated with contempt.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:22 am to diat150
The organizer of the free speech event has noted that after the attacks in Paris Muslims held an event in the exact center promoting the extremism in Paris. (Not for sure on the facts just stating what the promoter of the event has told news outlets)No one bothered their event promoting death to the cartoonist across the pond. So they get to reap the benefits of the 1st amend but Americans don't? Looks as if Little Muslim princesses can dish it out but can't take it.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 9:25 am
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:27 am to Lou Pai
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No, but it does mean that the state doesn't get to decide not to protect its citizenry because of a higher likelihood of outrage or violence from a certain group.
That probably should be the case, but in the aftermath of Baltimore how true is that in practice?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:33 am to bencoleman
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The fact that the Muslims are willing to kill people over it means more people should speak out against them. They should be treated with contempt.
So instead of seeking to peacefully dialogue with local Islamic leaders, you promote an event to kick a hornets nest?
I love how people are cool with someone crudely depicting someone's prophet, yet they'd beat your arse if you burned a U.S. Flag. These same people bitch about liberals only wanting their values to be allowed, but then try and stamp out anything foreign to them.
No, I don't like the overly PC society we have today. However, sometimes we need to be mindful or even respectful of what other people consider sacred.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:40 am to Bmath
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So instead of seeking to peacefully dialogue with local Islamic leaders, you promote an event to kick a hornets nest?
This already happens all the time.
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I love how people are cool with someone crudely depicting someone's prophet, yet they'd beat your arse if you burned a U.S. Flag. These same people bitch about liberals only wanting their values to be allowed, but then try and stamp out anything foreign to them.
This almost never happens. You are trying awfully hard to equivocate here.
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No, I don't like the overly PC society we have today. However, sometimes we need to be mindful or even respectful of what other people consider sacred.
It's really disturbing to me that this mentality for you is also accompanied by the notion that these people are really asking for it. It's almost as if the violence has convinced you.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:45 am to Bmath
Why you would expect anyone to respect the trash in our midst is mind boggling.
You can suck Muslim balls all you want but the rest of us don't have to. I Only wish they would have events like this all over the country
You can suck Muslim balls all you want but the rest of us don't have to. I Only wish they would have events like this all over the country
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:47 am to Bmath
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seeking to peacefully dialogue with local Islamic leaders
How has that peaceful dialogue been working out across the world? Wake the frick up. Islamists don't want peace... they want submission. They don't want to live side by side with other religions. They demand that you submit to Islam or die. There are no other options.
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I love how people are cool with someone crudely depicting someone's prophet, yet they'd beat your arse if you burned a U.S. Flag.
When is the last time people showed up at a flag burning with guns and got into a shootout with police?
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However, sometimes we need to be mindful or even respectful of what other people consider sacred.
You mean like human life?
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 9:48 am
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:51 am to Lou Pai
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It's really disturbing to me that this mentality for you is also accompanied by the notion that these people are really asking for it. It's almost as if the violence has convinced you.
In truth I think Pam Geller and Robert Spencer are quite literally asking for it. They love this shite.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:54 am to Bmath
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So instead of seeking to peacefully dialogue with local Islamic leaders, you promote an event to kick a hornets nest?
I love how people are cool with someone crudely depicting someone's prophet, yet they'd beat your arse if you burned a U.S. Flag. These same people bitch about liberals only wanting their values to be allowed, but then try and stamp out anything foreign to them.
No, I don't like the overly PC society we have today. However, sometimes we need to be mindful or even respectful of what other people consider sacred.
Why should we accommodate these people or care what they think? This is American territory, we weren't founded on Muslim values. If they want to roll up shooting in major city suburbs then they deserve to die - barking up the wrong tree. The people of Texas definitely won't put up with that shite. There are tons of these radical muslims living here with every intention to hurt American people given the opportunity. Don't forget 9/11 people!!!
Sharia law's charter is to kill all non-muslims and apostates - they want a complete islamic state across the globe.
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The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Religion of peace....
Open your eyes people! Stop defending these anti-american terrorists.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:57 am to Bmath
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It doesn't mean that I can say whatever I want and not expect backlash from other people.
it does mean you can expect not to be shot/blown-up/murdered.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:58 am to diat150
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im all about free speech and shite but these people that put on these types of contests need to realize that muslims are fanatical about their religion. you can do what you want but I think play stupid games win stupid prizes applies here.
I think we3 should have more of it. Have them all the time. Let the crazies show up...then blow their heads off.
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