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re: Failed Justice system: Baton Rouge man arrested for 5 murders over 7 years
Posted on 5/13/16 at 11:42 am to Kujo
Posted on 5/13/16 at 11:42 am to Kujo
Where did my post with the image of Germany go? Anyway, there really needs to be a better system than just sticking people in a small four corner room. You can't keep everyone locked up forever... until they do something like this so they are locked up after the damage is already done.
Did anyone see the 60mins segment on jails in Germany (I am not trying to make a "german" joke. I am serious). They actually rehabilitate prisoners. Its not at all what American's think about when they think jail. Their jails are more like a civilized community in which everyone has to stay within the parameters of the facility, but they have very few people return. It saves a lot of money and actually does some good.
Did anyone see the 60mins segment on jails in Germany (I am not trying to make a "german" joke. I am serious). They actually rehabilitate prisoners. Its not at all what American's think about when they think jail. Their jails are more like a civilized community in which everyone has to stay within the parameters of the facility, but they have very few people return. It saves a lot of money and actually does some good.
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 11:42 am to auggie
He Din-Do-Nuffin.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 11:43 am to OweO
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They actually rehabilitate prisoners. Its not at all what American's think about when they think jail. Their jails are more like a civilized community in which everyone has to stay within the parameters of the facility, but they have very few people return. It saves a lot of money and actually does some good.
Japan is the same way.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 11:47 am to Kujo
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Why give criminals a second shot?
Because you didn't kill them the first time
Posted on 5/13/16 at 11:49 am to OweO
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Where did my post with the image of Germany go? Anyway, there really needs to be a better system than just sticking people in a small four corner room. You can't keep everyone locked up forever... until they do something like this so they are locked up after the damage is already done. Did anyone see the 60mins segment on jails in Germany (I am not trying to make a "german" joke. I am serious). They actually rehabilitate prisoners. Its not at all what American's think about when they think jail. Their jails are more like a civilized community in which everyone has to stay within the parameters of the facility, but they have very few people return. It saves a lot of money and actually does some good.
Germany is also less than 1% of a certain racial demographic that is represented on a larger scale in the U.S.
Edited for sensitivity.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 11:54 am
Posted on 5/13/16 at 11:50 am to TDcline
And here comes the blatant racism.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 11:55 am to Kujo
quote:because every case isn't the same and some people change and go on to do good.
Why give criminals a second shot?
Posted on 5/13/16 at 11:56 am to Byron Bojangles III
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some people change and go on to do good.
not even close to the majority correct?
Isn't >70% will be arrested again within 3 years?
Posted on 5/13/16 at 11:56 am to TDcline
You realize that edit doesn't make it not racist, right?
Posted on 5/13/16 at 11:57 am to Kujo
The American recidivism rate is around 70% or so last I checked. Many other countries are quite a bit lower though.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:01 pm to TDcline
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Germany is also less than 1% of a certain racial demographic that is represented on a larger scale in the U.S.
Edited for sensitivity.
So all the criminals in Germany, who are in gangs, commit murder, etc is different because of their skin color? Also, you are saying race places a bigger factor than lack of education?
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:02 pm to CorporateTiger
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The American recidivism rate is around 70% or so last I checked. Many other countries are quite a bit lower though.
and the 30% could also mean that they didn't get caught again...not that they were angels, right?
We could guess which % were still problematic, but for me, it's not a risk I'm really willing to accept. If you are convicted of a crime, I think you should lose your citizenship.
"You have 30 days to leave the country or you will be arrested and placed in jail for life or given the option of euthanasia"
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:05 pm to TDcline
Alaska just voted to take on significant CJ reform which includes not imprisoning drug offenders and other non violent offenders and use the prison system as it should be used, keeping dangerous people away from the public
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:07 pm to Kujo
Hey remember how our Founding Fathers rebelled against a government that used criminal punishment as a way to control political speech? Remember how they wrote a whole bunch of protections for the people into our constitution to protect us from government?
Yes let's undo that despite the fact that crime rates are generally falling all around the country. Sensational news headlines told me to be real scared.
Yes let's undo that despite the fact that crime rates are generally falling all around the country. Sensational news headlines told me to be real scared.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:07 pm to OweO
That's great,lets send these guys to 1940 Germany.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
A good step. The lack of employment options for convicted people is a big issue but very hard to tackle without stepping on Liberty. One obvious answer is stop criminalizing so much behavior.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:10 pm to CorporateTiger
Correct. Felons with no violent history being unable to find jobd and being supported by the public is a huge issue
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:12 pm to CorporateTiger
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Hey remember how our Founding Fathers rebelled against a government that used criminal punishment as a way to control political speech?
yeah, they left and made better.....let the criminals leave and make better...win/win
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:15 pm to CorporateTiger
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One obvious answer is stop criminalizing so much behavior.
crime makes the criminal, or the criminal makes the crime?
1900-pick pocket
1950-car theft
2000-id theft
things change, the root of people does not
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:18 pm to Kujo
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Why give criminals a second shot?
Pun intended, I'm sure.
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