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re: F-16 pilot was ready to give her life on Sept. 11
Posted on 9/11/17 at 11:01 am to Ponchy Tiger
Posted on 9/11/17 at 11:01 am to Ponchy Tiger
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Why not? The plane was headed for the White House or Capital. They had to stop it and had no time to arm planes. Explain why this doesn't make sense?
So none of the Air Force bases(Langley,Andrews,Bolling,Dover,McGuire) had no armed aircraft ready to go? The Navy had no armed aircraft near the biggest Nave base in the US? DC has no anti aircraft missile defense? Yeah its hard to believe that story at all.
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 11:03 am to Placebeaux
The Cold War was over. We had stood down. Nobody perceived a threat. Well, some people did, but no one was listening to them.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 11:07 am to Placebeaux
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So none of the Air Force bases(Langley,Andrews,Bolling,Dover,McGuire) had no armed aircraft ready to go? The Navy had no armed aircraft near the biggest Nave base in the US?
In those days no....do you not realize that up until that point after Operation Desert Storm had been a period of perceived (and promoted by our government...watch Bill and W's innaguration speeches) peace that was pretty much unprecedented since WW1. It is pretty clear from all the pre-911 documentaries that the upper brass of our Federal government wasn't worried about terrorism even though terrorist attacks were happening frequently (1993 WTC, US embassies, and USS Cole).
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DC has no anti aircraft missile defense?
They probably do.....I'm not sure I'd like to rely on that as my only source of defense. If I have planes and people willing to use them to try to take out a threat I let them do it....then if they fail I still have the missiles.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 11:19 am to Placebeaux
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So none of the Air Force bases(Langley,Andrews,Bolling,Dover,McGuire) had no armed aircraft ready to go? The Navy had no armed aircraft near the biggest Nave base in the US? DC has no anti aircraft missile defense? Yeah its hard to believe that story at all.
It's very costly and somewhat dangerous to have armed jets 24/7. We did up until 1993 until we ended that. We we're at peace.
How is this so hard to understand?
And yes, we have STA missles protecting DC/The White House, but those were a last line of defense. If that jet got within a certain range, we were taking it down.
It's possible we later scrambled armed jets and shot it down(I don't know the timeline), but there's not a doubt in my mind that the first jets up there were unarmed and prepared to give their life if the order was given.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 11:23 am to LSU316
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.....I'm not sure I'd like to rely on that as my only source of defense
I'm sure its adequate to down a commercial jet.
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If I have planes and people willing to use them to try to take out a threat I let them do it....then if they fail I still have the missiles.
Unarmed planes having a better chance then a missile defense system?
Posted on 9/11/17 at 11:24 am to KosmoCramer
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Do you know how long it takes to arm an F-16 and scramble it?
Nope
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:01 pm to Placebeaux
You need to watch the History Channel special on 9/11. It breaks down in great detail all the events leading up to it, and who all played a part.
One large contribution to it happening was the CIA being a bunch of fricktards towards the FBI when it was known that the pilots of the planes were in the US (on a global terrorist watch list), and they had their chance to apprehend them.
I'm sure it was shared liability on both sides, but the CIA seems to me to have been the biggest dumbass leading up to it.
One large contribution to it happening was the CIA being a bunch of fricktards towards the FBI when it was known that the pilots of the planes were in the US (on a global terrorist watch list), and they had their chance to apprehend them.
I'm sure it was shared liability on both sides, but the CIA seems to me to have been the biggest dumbass leading up to it.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:08 pm to RebelExpress38
She nearly had them, until she backed the f16 into a mailbox
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:21 pm to RealityTiger
Fiction
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:30 pm to KosmoCramer
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It's very costly and somewhat dangerous to have armed jets 24/7. We did up until 1993 until we ended that. We we're at peace.
How is this so hard to understand?
It is the same as the Ft Hood shooting, the average person that had not been in the military could not understand why there were not hundreds of soldiers walking around with loaded weapons that could have taken out the shooter.
This post was edited on 9/11/17 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:31 pm to EA6B
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could not understand why there were not hundreds of soldiers walking around with weapons hot that could have taken out the shooter.
i wondered the same thing but I have
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not been in the military
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:45 pm to Placebeaux
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Fiction
I hope you're right because if half of what they said in that video was true we should have tried Clinton, W, Rice, Rumsfeld, Tenet, Clarke, Freeh, and probably many more for murder.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:46 pm to Placebeaux
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Unarmed planes having a better chance then a missile defense system?
That's not what I said.....I said you use every opportunity that you have to take them down....including planes.
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I'm sure its adequate to down a commercial jet.
I'm sure....but I don't want to rely solely on one option.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 1:03 pm to ThatMakesSense
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No disrespect to service members, but how dumb were the officers in charge?
Strategic planners weren't prepared for a suicide hijacking from within the United States. They had always considered the possibility of commercial passenger planes being hijacked by terrorists for the purpose of kamikazie-style attacks, but they had envisioned those planes getting hijacked somewhere over the Atlantic.
The thought of commercial airliners getting hijacked within U.S. airspace had never occurred to them. And if it did, I don't think they ever took such a contingency seriously. In the end, much like Pearl Harbor before it, military planners were too overconfident when it came to built in geographic and technological advantages.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 1:03 pm to Placebeaux
In the days of Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, message boards, etc...where everybody feels the need to be the most important voice and no secrets are kept. Do you really think that a large scale fiction project like that could be kept a secret? Nobody would come forward out of disgust and/or slip up? Especially with the huge anti-war sentiment that prevailed (rightfully so) in invading Iraq? I just don't buy that at all. Somebody would have slipped by now.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 1:08 pm to RealityTiger
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Do you really think that a large scale fiction project like that could be kept a secret?
I suppose you believe we went to the moon, too.
How'd THEY get to you?
This post was edited on 9/11/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 9/11/17 at 1:09 pm to RebelExpress38
WHERE IN THE frick IS THE PIC OF THIS BROAD ON PAGE 1????
Posted on 9/11/17 at 1:17 pm to Upperaltiger06
Probably the best pic I could find on Google....of course you aren't going to see a tit pic of a former Navy fighter pilot on Google I'd assume.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 1:20 pm to RealityTiger
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Do you really think that a large scale fiction project like that could be kept a secret?
Absolutely but these days it doesn't need to. You can come out and present scientific evidence that contradicts and brings into question the official narrative and 90% of the people with not believe it. People will not only not believe it but they will become angry at the thought of it. IMO people see it as an attack against their perceived conditioned reality. Tell a Christian that God as they are taught in church is not real and they will immediately get angry and defensive even though you can present a solid case. 9/11 believers react the same way.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 1:23 pm to The Last Coco
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Prior to 9/11, this wasn't the case. So yeah, there weren't armed jets available at the time. And the process of arming a jet with live munitions is a slow tedious process. Waiting to arm them wasn't an option that we could afford at the time.
I always wondered when did this stop.
You know in 1990 there were parts of the US ready to launch interceptor aircraft at a drop of a hat, and you gotta figure the capital was one.
So how long after the Cold War did it stop?
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