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re: Experts want to move the mouth of the river upstream.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 1:09 pm to Barf
Posted on 9/16/15 at 1:09 pm to Barf
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What happens with the land mass that is created/restored? Who gets ownership?
much of the private property that was once land is water but there is still ownership as far as I know... many people in those areas have lease rights for oysters.
No reason that the people who own land can keep what they have for mineral rights, farming or whatever.
Or they can auction it off for those individuals/ corporations that would want those interests... No reason for the government to get involved but to only make sure the selling/ auctioning of property is fair or supplementing those that sell and move permanent residence.
It would seem to be in the best interest of property owners long term to have the river replenish your property. The only negative is using the property as permanent residence.
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 1:14 pm
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 1:12 pm to soccerfüt
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Who's going to make landowners whole in Buras, Venice, etc. after the federal abandonment?
Time to buy property down there, Uncle Sugar will be buying everyone out.
The politicians will beat everyone to it.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 1:18 pm to Zephyrius
We know that property owners sold to oil and gas to dredge canals. We know these canals caused a very significant amount of land loss.
It will be be nearly impossible to get the votes to use tax money to restore property that was damaged by it's owners and allow them to retain ownership.
It will be be nearly impossible to get the votes to use tax money to restore property that was damaged by it's owners and allow them to retain ownership.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 2:23 pm to JasonL79
quote:i didnt say none, but the majority of the course grain sediment used to "make land" are not making it to the mouth and over the shelf. Some fine grain silts are. the river is filling in itself. Believe me or not, it is true. this is documented on all the newer report studies.
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no it is not. Do some research. the soil isnt making it that far. Look at how much dredging is taking place year to year. It is increasing. the river if filling itself in.
Why isn't the soil making it to the end of the river? I'm going to disagree with you there because I know that isn't true. A lot of sediment goes out of the river. I've walked on the land at the end of the river.
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Look at how much dredging is taking place year to year. It is increasing. the river if filling itself in.
Yes the river does fill in every year and is dredged but that doesn't mean that no silt is going off of the shelf. They dredge at the end of the river also.
Look at the head difference between say New Orleans in Venice. the head drop is only 6-8 feet over that hundred mile length. Hell BR is only 1' about NOLA.
that head drop just isnt enough to carry coarse soils out to the shelf. Im sorry but that is fact.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 7:27 pm to CarRamrod
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but the majority of the course grain sediment used to "make land" are not making it to the mouth and over the shelf. Some fine grain silts are. the river is filling in itself.
What is considered course grain sediment? At the mouth of the river (near south,soutwest,pass a loutre), they have been dredging for years and the land they build is hard as a rock once they pump it in. It sure seems course to me. Similar to Florida beach sand but darker when it is first pumped in.
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Look at the head difference between say New Orleans in Venice. the head drop is only 6-8 feet over that hundred mile length. Hell BR is only 1' about NOLA. that head drop just isnt enough to carry coarse soils out to the shelf. Im sorry but that is fact.
You may have to explain this one in English. What does the head drop mean? Is it the difference in the river level? Elevation difference?
Posted on 9/16/15 at 7:31 pm to The First Cut
quote:new Orleans won't last 10 seconds if the effort wasn't there. It's already sunk. And deep. It was settled when glaciers had a huge presence.
New Orleans won't last much more than another 100 years. The continued subsidence will make it uninhabitable.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:26 pm to JasonL79
I'm not exactly sure about what Ramrod is referring to about "head drop". I believe he's referencing relative river water level, but I'm not sure. Flood Stage in BR is ~35'. It's 17' or 17.5' at the Carrollton Gage in N.O. I've always assumed the river dropped ~ 17' above sea level from BR to NO, but I'm not sure.
What I can tell you, is that the flow rate of the river affects it's sediment carrying ability. Different size sediments are more prone to remain in suspension at different flow rates.
As some previous posters have alluded to, not all sediment is created equal, in regard to coastal restoration.
Final note: I'm not sure if he's a right wing Nazi, a left wing pinko commie bastard, or somewhere in the middle; but Bottomland Brew typically knows what the frick he's talking about, especially in matters concerning hydrology and home brewing. Listen and learn.
What I can tell you, is that the flow rate of the river affects it's sediment carrying ability. Different size sediments are more prone to remain in suspension at different flow rates.
As some previous posters have alluded to, not all sediment is created equal, in regard to coastal restoration.
Final note: I'm not sure if he's a right wing Nazi, a left wing pinko commie bastard, or somewhere in the middle; but Bottomland Brew typically knows what the frick he's talking about, especially in matters concerning hydrology and home brewing. Listen and learn.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:36 pm to Slippy
Goodbye Louisiana was an '80s PBS documentary -- anyone else remember watching it? I saw it in the mid-to-late '80s, a few years after it was made.
I remember two things about it: 1) it was narrated by Burt Lancaster, and 2) featured an interview with the mayor of Morgan City, who said that someday MC would be sacrificed to save NO.
I remember two things about it: 1) it was narrated by Burt Lancaster, and 2) featured an interview with the mayor of Morgan City, who said that someday MC would be sacrificed to save NO.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:54 pm to Kafka
If the Old River Control Structure finally fails or the Corps just says, "frick it!" and lets the river jump into the Atchafalaya, can't the Corps keep a channel dredged to the plants in N.O. and up to BR? Isn't the bigger issue salt water intrusion up what's left of the river? It seems like municipal drinking water and plant process water is the bigger issue.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:59 pm to Slippy
One of my former professors at Southeastern is involved with this and he was explaining it in class last year. It sounds like a terrible idea
Posted on 9/17/15 at 7:00 am to BottomlandBrew
Wrong answer by about 8 - 15 inches since 1900. The difference in MSL since then is less than 1/2 a centimeter.
I agree with others on the point of the mismanagement of the Mississippi and the delta.
I trolled the sea level change question to see who the true believers were.
I agree with others on the point of the mismanagement of the Mississippi and the delta.
I trolled the sea level change question to see who the true believers were.
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