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Electrical - residential lighting question
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:32 am
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:32 am
Building a home with all LED lighting. Installing dimmers this week. If you set the dimmers at the half way mark on the dimmer switch (to dim the lights half way), are you using less electricity if you dim the lights?
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:38 am to Supermoto Tiger
Dimmers reduce power to the lighting source or bulb, so they save energy and can extend bulb life. Incandescent and halogen bulbs last up to 20 times longer when used with a dimmer, increasing the money saved.LED bulbs run cooler when dimmed which can also extend bulb life.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 7:48 am to Supermoto Tiger
On most dimmers, no. There is less power making it to the bulb, but the dimmer does that by turning excess power into heat. You'll notice that dimmers are typically warm to the touch, which is the excess emerg being burned off.
There are dimmers that actually conserve power, but they are less common.
There are dimmers that actually conserve power, but they are less common.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:18 am to halleburton
What???
There will be some loss, but I've never seen one act like a voltage divider.
There will be some loss, but I've never seen one act like a voltage divider.
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 8:21 am
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:24 am to halleburton
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On most dimmers, no. There is less power making it to the bulb, but the dimmer does that by turning excess power into heat. You'll notice that dimmers are typically warm to the touch, which is the excess emerg being burned off.
You can also hear a buzzing/humming sound coming from most residential dimmers. Not always, but if you turn the one in my kitchen below halfway it buzzes and gets warm.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:34 am to TU Rob
That buzzing is the sound if the AC waveform being chopped. It's getting warm because there is some loss in the switching. If you don't like the buzzing I would recommend a better dimmer that has some filtering.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:37 am to Supermoto Tiger
Uhhhh yes.
Also, you will use less gas in your car if you hold the accelerator halfway down as compared to flooring it.
Also, you will use less gas in your car if you hold the accelerator halfway down as compared to flooring it.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:54 am to Supermoto Tiger
There is some truth to all responses here.
Older/cheap dimmers on incandescent bulbs can use alot more energy at 50% setting than 50% of the wattage.
newer ones are designed differently.
Just buy dimmers that are rated for LED fixtures and buy LED fixtures that are rated for use with dimmers. Both will have been designed in the last 3-5 years and will most likely be the most efficient at all light levels
Older/cheap dimmers on incandescent bulbs can use alot more energy at 50% setting than 50% of the wattage.
newer ones are designed differently.
Just buy dimmers that are rated for LED fixtures and buy LED fixtures that are rated for use with dimmers. Both will have been designed in the last 3-5 years and will most likely be the most efficient at all light levels
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:01 am to halleburton
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On most dimmers, no
This is wrong depending on what you mean exactly. Older dimmers were typically potentiometers, essentially variable resistors.
There was some inefficiencies so 50% dimming didn't equal exactly 50% reduction in wattage but it was pretty close.
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but the dimmer does that by turning excess power into heat
Well, yes but that is only because the resistor heats up but the filament in the bulb heats up less than it did before and all of that heat is actually wasted energy either way.
There are two ways to reduce power usage. Power (p) = Voltage(V) * Current(I)
SO you reduce power by either reducing the voltage or the current in the loop
For potentiometer type dimmers:
I= V/Resistance(R)
So P = V*(V/R) or P = V^2 /R
As R increases, P decreases
For more modern dimmers that clip the sine wave you are reducing V.
Also, with LEDs you have much less energy lost to heat provided the bulb had good quality electronics.
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