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Dying slow by starving vs euthanasia.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:54 pm
Why is euthanasia such a big deal, yet removing a feeding tube and letting someone slowly starve to death seen as compassionate?
My grandma had a bad stroke the other day and the doctors said she has 70% brain damage. They pulled her off the machines, but have to provide fluids and other stuff for 14 days. They said her body will starve by then and shut down.
Sounds cruel to me. I would rather a large amount of morphine to put me to never wake up land.
Just seems almost cruel that you are a vegetable, but you have to be kept alive until you starve to death.
My grandma had a bad stroke the other day and the doctors said she has 70% brain damage. They pulled her off the machines, but have to provide fluids and other stuff for 14 days. They said her body will starve by then and shut down.
Sounds cruel to me. I would rather a large amount of morphine to put me to never wake up land.
Just seems almost cruel that you are a vegetable, but you have to be kept alive until you starve to death.
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:56 pm to Napoleon
As a society we have more compassion for our dogs during death than our parents.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:57 pm to Napoleon
I agree. It's cruel.
Sorry to hear about your grandma.
Sorry to hear about your grandma.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:57 pm to Napoleon
(No offense) but she can't feel any sensations (including hunger) as far as research has found so although it's starvation, it's not like she feels the hunger pain.... but I agree
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:57 pm to Napoleon
quote:Scruffy agrees with you.
Why is euthanasia such a big deal, yet removing a feeding tube and letting someone slowly starve to death seen as compassionate?
My grandma had a bad stroke the other day and the doctors said she has 70% brain damage. They pulled her off the machines, but have to provide fluids and other stuff for 14 days. They said her body will starve by then and shut down.
Sounds cruel to me. I would rather a large amount of morphine to put me to never wake up land.
Just seems almost cruel that you are a vegetable, but you have to be kept alive until you starve to death.
People hold a different opinion of the two actions though since one involves simply not giving lifesaving treatment while the other involves direct action to result in the individual's death.
Personally, Scruffy had no issues with euthanasia. There are many ethical problems he sees on a daily basis in medicine.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:58 pm to Napoleon
I agree, but society sees actively killing people as bad, even themselves. I believe if you have a terminal illness you should be able to choose the way you go. I know I would like that option. Same goes for the family of people who are brain dead, but otherwise alive. However, it is acceptable to society to passively kill someone by not giving them food as the suffer to a sure death. Go figure.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:02 pm to Napoleon
Because we shouldn't play God with other people's lives.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:03 pm to Napoleon
My living will clearly states that if I am incapacitated that any machines keeping me alive should be turned off.
Under no circumstances though should nutrition be withheld. It's one thing to die of injury or disease; it's quite another to starve to death.
Under no circumstances though should nutrition be withheld. It's one thing to die of injury or disease; it's quite another to starve to death.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:03 pm to Napoleon
My family knows to push the morphine on me in that situation. Can Hospice "help" even if it isn't cancer?
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:04 pm to sleepytime
You "play God" with your dog and all the vets "play God" with injured horses.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:05 pm to Napoleon
Sorry to hear that.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:06 pm to tigerskin
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My family knows to push the morphine on me in that situation. Can Hospice "help" even if it isn't cancer?
In most states, if not all, assisted suicide is illegal. I know a few states now allow for doctors to prescribe meds to kill yourself if you are terminally ill, but I do not know if they can actually inject them. I believe the patient has to take it themselves so that it is technically suicide rather than homicide. I could be wrong on that though
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:06 pm to TigernMS12
My grandmother's brother suffered a series of bad strokes. All he could do was lie in bed and moan. He lasted that way for three years. His wife stayed by his bedside in the nursing home all day every day. It ruined her health, too, and she died not long after he did.
Bad situation, and he wouldn't have been able to choose euthanasia for himself because he was unable to communicated his wishes. Someone else would have had to make the decision for him, and that opens up a whole new can of worms. I don't know what the answer is in situations like that, other than a legal document that spells out exactly what you want beforehand.
Bad situation, and he wouldn't have been able to choose euthanasia for himself because he was unable to communicated his wishes. Someone else would have had to make the decision for him, and that opens up a whole new can of worms. I don't know what the answer is in situations like that, other than a legal document that spells out exactly what you want beforehand.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:08 pm to sleepytime
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Because we shouldn't play God with other people's lives.
Such a bullshite excuse. For one, not everyone lives by your "God." Two, in no way is it playing "God" if you are going to die either way, and choose the most humane, less painful method.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:09 pm to TigernMS12
I'll give you a little secret. That is what Hospice does
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:10 pm to sleepytime
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Because we shouldn't play God with other people's lives.
Medical science plays God with other people's lives every single day. Every time they cure a treatable, but otherwise fatal, disease or injury, it's playing God.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:11 pm to tigerskin
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I'll give you a little secret. That is what Hospice does
Yeah, the system we have in place now mostly works. Trying to further codify this stuff would only open up other cans of worms and probably make the situation much worse than what we currently have.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:13 pm to tigerskin
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I'll give you a little secret. That is what Hospice does
I thought hospice just kept you comfortable until you die. Basically, your on your death bed and they keep you drugged up and feeling good till you die from you illness. I thought that they did nothing to accelerate the death process though.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:15 pm to Napoleon
We are a society that cares more about the rights of a murder than the person that has been murdered.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:26 pm to TigernMS12
If u have seen someone die from cancer, there isn't a lot of "feeling good" about it. Morphine is used for pain and at a certain level, it stops your breathing. So in a simplistic way, my wishes will be to not miss a dose.
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