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re: Due to the Heroin epidemic in the white community
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:08 am to fr33manator
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:08 am to fr33manator
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Don't we constantly hear about the "black community" from their self appointed leaders?
They don't represent black people or the "community". Only a few fools believe that.
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
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If black folks wouldn't consider them some monolithic community, it wouldn't happen.
1. They don't
2. Don'e be naive and think the OT is not gonna OT on black folks at almost any chance
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:10 am to 504ByrdGang
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having self will to not abuse pain meds
I have strong feelings in regards to this topic, but it's pointless to hash it out
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:11 am to Ignignot
Hopefully the excuse makers to which the OP is referring feel the same way about crack use in black folks. You know, it's not their fault they got hooked.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:13 am to LSUTANGERINE
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1. They don't
2. Don'e be naive and think the OT is not gonna OT on black folks at almost any chance
Gotta be a victim.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:14 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Hopefully the excuse makers to which the OP is referring feel the same way about crack use in black folks. You know, it's not their fault they got hooked.
Weird how you're crying a bout generalizing, yet generalizing the OT.
I feel that way about all drugs. I've been extremely vocal in my belief that the war on drugs has destroyed black families. But, you don't want to hear that.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:14 am to Ignignot
Not really explain?
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:16 am to LSUTANGERINE
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the excuse makers to which the OP is referring feel the same way about crack use in black folks. You know, it's not their fault they got hooked.
Doctors are prescribing crack and pharmacies distributing it?
It's not the pushers? "Hustlin' and slingin' rocks"?
FWIW, it's not use that should be punished. But crimes committed while high on crack are still crimes.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:22 am to fr33manator
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Doctors are prescribing crack and pharmacies distributing it?
Using the argument that doctors prescribing opiates lead to heroine use, then prescription of amphetamines (speed) leads to cocaine and ultimately crack via the same pathways because it's cheaper. But folks don't want to hear that.
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It's not the pushers? "Hustlin' and slingin' rocks"?
It's not the pushers? "Hustlin' and slingin' heroin"?
This post was edited on 1/4/16 at 12:24 am
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Gotta be a victim.
who? I am not a victim. I am not profiled and never have been. Nor will I be. I am not arrested for drug use at 10x a higher rate, even though drug use rates are equal among races
This post was edited on 1/4/16 at 12:27 am
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:26 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Using the argument that doctors prescribing opiates lead to heroine use, then prescription of amphetamines (speed) leads to cocaine and crack.
No. Prescribing (and overuse, and an addictive personality) can lead to an opiod addiction. To feed their addiction they need more opiods, and since harder opiods are expensive and harder to get, they find heroin readily available and cheaper. That's the nature of opiod addiction.
Equating amphetamines (study drugs) and Coke (party drug) to crack (the dregs of society) makes you look stupider than you already do.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:29 am to fr33manator
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No. Prescribing (and overuse, and an addictive personality) can lead to an opiod addiction. To feed their addiction they need more opiods, and since harder opiods are expensive and harder to get, they find heroin readily available and cheaper. That's the nature of opiod addiction.
Equating amphetamines (study drugs) and Coke (party drug) to crack (the dregs of society) makes you look stupider than you already do.
Of course, you say no. You don't think people with an addictive personality only become addicted to heroine and not crack. And of course, those heroin users are some fine upstanding citizens aren't they?
No one is equating the two. I am talking about the cycle and underpinnings. But you go ahead and keep blaming doctor's on heroin. Forget about personal responsibility.
Prescribing (and overuse, and an addictive personality) can lead to an speed addiction. To feed their addiction they need more speeds, and since harder speed are expensive and harder to get, they ultimately find crack readily available and cheaper. That's the nature of addiction.
This post was edited on 1/4/16 at 12:35 am
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:33 am to LSUTANGERINE
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And of course, those heroin users are some fine upstanding citizens aren't they?
In a lot of cases, no. And the OT calls out white needle junkies all poked to hell pretty harshly.
But I also know people that have gone through cancer and bad accidents and such and ended up pretty bad off due to the pills. Had to go to clinics and all that.
Drugs can destroy people. But criminalizing them only hinders people seeking treatment. Look at Portugal.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:34 am to fr33manator
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To feed their addiction they need more opiods, and since harder opiods are expensive and harder to get, they find heroin readily available and cheaper.
It had a lot to do with the gubment crackdown on prescription drug abuse, which pushed people to heroin.
People should be allowed to abuse to their bodies detriment if they choose. Both black and white.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:35 am to 504ByrdGang
It's amazing how many people fell for this guy's thinly veiled agenda in this thread.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:36 am to fr33manator
And since you are so high (pun intended) on addictive personality as an excuse, are you willing to use the same excuse of anti-social personality for serious and violent criminal behavior, minimizing personal responsibility? FYI, anti-social personality and psychopathy do have biological underpinnings.
I'll answer for you. No chance in hell. FYI, neither am I.
I am not trying to derail. But talking about the larger point, making excuses and voiding personal responsibility.
FYI, I am all for consequences and jail for criminal behavior and drug treatment for heroin, crack or whatever. On that, I think we do agree.
I'll answer for you. No chance in hell. FYI, neither am I.
I am not trying to derail. But talking about the larger point, making excuses and voiding personal responsibility.
FYI, I am all for consequences and jail for criminal behavior and drug treatment for heroin, crack or whatever. On that, I think we do agree.
This post was edited on 1/4/16 at 12:40 am
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:43 am to LSUTANGERINE
I'm against the war on drugs. I think drug use has many many contributing factors. And not all drug use or users are bad. those who commit crimes under the influence of or in pursuit of drugs should be punished, obviously. But the focus should be on treatment.
And no, I don't excuse people who have anti-social behaviors for crimes they commit. I'm vocal in my "string em up" policy for those who commit violent crimes.
It's a fricked up system that has been created, in a large part, because of government policy.
And no, I don't excuse people who have anti-social behaviors for crimes they commit. I'm vocal in my "string em up" policy for those who commit violent crimes.
It's a fricked up system that has been created, in a large part, because of government policy.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:45 am to fr33manator
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I'm against the war on drugs. I think drug use has many many contributing factors. And not all drug use or users are bad. those who commit crimes under the influence of or in pursuit of drugs should be punished, obviously. But the focus should be on treatment.
And no, I don't excuse people who have anti-social behaviors for crimes they commit. I'm vocal in my "string em up" policy for those who commit violent crimes.
It's a fricked up system that has been created, in a large part, because of government policy.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:47 am to fr33manator
quote:I think you could say that about sentencing for hard vs soft cocaine, but that is never brought up here. That being said, crack abuse isn't talked about as much as her'ron.
It's a fricked up system that has been created, in a large part, because of government policy.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:47 am to LSUTANGERINE
We may have different outlooks but occasionally we see eye to eye.
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