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re: Dog with the twisted stomach, aka the "smurf hat"
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:38 am to MSMHater
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:38 am to MSMHater
quote:
giant oven pan
Who wants to put an oven pan down twice a day?
google search: dog bowl eat slow -- you'll find all those bowls designed for this
Unless your dog is just inhaling its food I wouldn't get too worked up about it.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 8:39 am
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:39 am to atchafalaya
It's called bloat and it is real. I saved my dogs life while being present when she had the early signs of an episode of it and I brought her to the vet then the ER.
It's a serious issue.
It's a serious issue.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:45 am to AubieALUMdvm
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AubieALUMdvm
I think I would tend to agree with whatever this dude says.
My neighbors Great Dane died from it.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:46 am to atchafalaya
It's like colic in horses. Definitely a real and life threatening thing.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:51 am to atchafalaya
My German shepherd absolutely inhaled his food and has never had it. I'm talking easily finished a meal in 1 minute or (a lot) less. He has slowed up a little bit now but never had a twisted stomach. Probabaly is a scam.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:56 am to AubieALUMdvm
quote:
Who wants to put an oven pan down twice a day?
Thank you!!
That was my reaction as well.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:11 am to CheeseburgerEddie
quote:
My German shepherd absolutely inhaled his food and has never had it. I'm talking easily finished a meal in 1 minute or (a lot) less. He has slowed up a little bit now but never had a twisted stomach. Probabaly is a scam.
Well, im convinced. You may only have n=1 but it's a solid 1.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:24 am to AubieALUMdvm
quote:
google search: dog bowl eat slow -- you'll find all those bowls designed for this
I have a slo bowl for both of my dogs because they eat too fast. They went from less than 1 minute to about 7 minutes. Since they have gotten used to it they are now down to around 4 minutes. They were not having any issues yet, but I feel like it was a good precautionary.
Slo Bowl
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:27 am to AubieALUMdvm
quote:Thanks for the info
Prophylactic gastropexy in a dog that has never had GDV (bloat) is not something all vets agree on for sure. The incidence of recurrence in a dog with a pexy is 5% or less which makes the prophylactic procedure seem like a great idea. However there are some dogs that develop permanent vomiting issues because of it and we never will know if they would have developed bloat.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:34 am to AubieALUMdvm
quote:
Unless your dog is just inhaling its food
Consider the Weimaraner.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:57 am to mglsu21
we don't know for sure why some dogs develop bloat which in most cases in medicine means its multifactorial and there is likely some genetic basis too. It's pretty clear that fast eating isn't the only issue.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:57 am to Pectus
quote:
I saved my dogs life
Not really.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:25 am to AubieALUMdvm
quote:
It's pretty clear that fast eating isn't the only issue.
But slowing down the eating has to help (or at least not hurt), right?
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:28 am to mglsu21
My Weim would have kicked that thing over in about two seconds and scarfed the food off the floor. She could problem-solve better than most humans I know.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:29 am to Artie Rome
I have had dogs in the field that experienced this and had to be mede'vaced emergently so I know it is a real issue. FWIW, USSOCOM considers it serious enough that all dogs are now stapled prophylactically when they are brought into service.
IMO, for the two cases I treated back to back (neither was stapled), the factors were exertion, followed by rapid intake of food and water followed by being kenneled. Contrary to popular opinion regarding them running around on a full gut, I think the laying down and rolling over common when kenneled is the cause.
IMO, for the two cases I treated back to back (neither was stapled), the factors were exertion, followed by rapid intake of food and water followed by being kenneled. Contrary to popular opinion regarding them running around on a full gut, I think the laying down and rolling over common when kenneled is the cause.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:29 am to mglsu21
I think most would agree with that. Just avoid putting large rocks in the bowl to slow them down as has been recommended by some in the past. Large dogs can be dumb and will eat the rocks.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:44 am to atchafalaya
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I'm puzzled at how a species as successful as dogs could have forgotten to naturally select for a stomach that wouldn't, you know, tie itself in a knot.
Well in the wild they probably didn't constantly eat big meals like they do domestically. That has a lot to do with it. They were scavengers.
Eating big meals then heavy physical exertion is a cause of bloat. We don't encourage our pup to do anything but be lazy for an hour after eating. Even if he wants to rough house, we just ignore him until he has time to digest.
ETA:
Not in a kennel ever though. He just walks around the house calmly after eating now.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 10:47 am
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:55 am to TheCaterpillar
Also, we put some water in his dry food and that seems to actually slow him down for some reason.
We tried the tennis ball in the food bowl trick and he was way too smart for that shite . Just picked it up and spit it outside the bowl.
We tried the tennis ball in the food bowl trick and he was way too smart for that shite . Just picked it up and spit it outside the bowl.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:22 am to AubieALUMdvm
Thanks guys for the data!
Dog had surgery at about 430 am. They had to remove spleen too because it I think was damaged in the torsion (blood supply issue maybe).
Anyway, it's a crazy thing! I appreciate the experts making an appearance.
As I read about this thing (I appreciate the key words I pulled from the posts above), I turns out the mortality from this business is quite high. Vet says recovery looking good so far.
As a couple of you pointed out, dog is having stomach staple to body cavity which hopefully prevents from happening again.
i have no idea what caused this. I will say that dog ate once a day very very quickly and that slow eating bowl posted above looks pretty smart. Thanks!
Dog had surgery at about 430 am. They had to remove spleen too because it I think was damaged in the torsion (blood supply issue maybe).
Anyway, it's a crazy thing! I appreciate the experts making an appearance.
As I read about this thing (I appreciate the key words I pulled from the posts above), I turns out the mortality from this business is quite high. Vet says recovery looking good so far.
As a couple of you pointed out, dog is having stomach staple to body cavity which hopefully prevents from happening again.
i have no idea what caused this. I will say that dog ate once a day very very quickly and that slow eating bowl posted above looks pretty smart. Thanks!
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:40 am to atchafalaya
I just lost one mastiff with this and the second one had it a few months later. Had the surgery at vet emergency hospital and stomach was stapled to body cavity. Twice more after surgery he came down with bloat again, and the second time killed him last Sunday. He was too sick to make it through a second surgery. We tried different bowls, different heights, different foods. It just seems some breeds are more susceptible to this problem than others and older mastiffs is one of those breeds.
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