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re: DOD releases the MOAB video
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:17 am to captainahab
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:17 am to captainahab
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If this was designed to blow the crap out of tunnels, would it be cheaper just to drop a few of these a year on our southern border (as opposed to building a
Ha. I though the same thing but too many American families own property and houses right on the border.
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Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:18 am to NYCAuburn
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I dont think we would lose anywhere near 6 solders, if any, facing off against 30 dumbass militants. let's be a little realistic with the scenarios here...
Perhaps you should ask a veteran from the Battle of Mogadishu about that.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:18 am to AUCE05
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15 MM to bomb a mountain, and these truck nut baws are okay with it.
Again, at the risk of losing several SF team members (who cost ~$3 - 5M each to train and equip).
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:24 am to mikrit54
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I dont think we would lose anywhere near 6 solders, if any, facing off against 30 dumbass militants. let's be a little realistic with the scenarios here...
Perhaps you should ask a veteran from the Battle of Mogadishu about that.
Mogadishu probably isn't the greatest example. That was a mobile force that was ambushed (by thousands). Attacking an entrenched position, especially when you have the inferior tactical position, is an entirely different ballgame.
This is really, really hard to do for even the best-trained soldiers. You're trying to fire and maneuver in a confined space, going uphill, putting yourself directly into pre-determined fields of fire, against a well-trained enemy. That is WW1 type shite.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:29 am to mikrit54
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Perhaps you should ask a veteran from the Battle of Mogadishu about that.
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let's be a little realistic with the scenarios here...
But yes this is also feedback from a friend(Ranger) who has been in Afghanistan on over 14 times, besides Iraq. he even felt it was a waste
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:30 am to GEAUXT
Mother of all frick you Hadji bombs.
Good God that thing was tremendous. Is it about 1/3 the power of Little Boy? I heard that on the internet, so it must be false, anyone know?
Good God that thing was tremendous. Is it about 1/3 the power of Little Boy? I heard that on the internet, so it must be false, anyone know?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:30 am to AbuTheMonkey
It does bring to light the fallacy of his statement. Yes it was a different scenario, but, it is a prime example of the foolishness of that type of thinking.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:32 am to goldennugget
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So basically we dropped a bomb on tunnels the CIA created.
Basically, no. Please don't shite all over this thread, OK?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:33 am to NYCAuburn
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Perhaps you should ask a veteran from the Battle of Mogadishu about that.
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let's be a little realistic with the scenarios here...
But yes this is also feedback from a friend(Ranger) who has been in Afghanistan on over 14 times, besides Iraq. he even felt it was a waste
We only had a couple of options, and the MOAB was one of them. Sending in an ODA to seize a position like this would have been the height of stupidity and a tremendous waste of military resources.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:33 am to AbuTheMonkey
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Trying to dislodge ~40 jihadists from a well-entrenched position would have cost us at least a half-dozen soldiers. We already lost one trying to get in this complex.
You also clearly don't understand how hard it is to root out an enemy from a place like this. I suspect you've never been anywhere near this sort of situation by calling them "dumbass militants". They're a lot sharper than 99% of Americans think they are.
Yes they are. Never underestimate your enemy. Taking out 40 bad guys, who are well entrenched and willing to die, will result in friendly casualties.
So, like a poster texted earlier in this thread... who's ready to go there and root those frickers out.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 10:37 am
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:35 am to NYCAuburn
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But yes this is also feedback from a friend(Ranger) who has been in Afghanistan on over 14 times, besides Iraq. he even felt it was a waste
But to assume little or no casualties against 30 dumbasses is a bit foolish.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:36 am to gizmothepug
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One American was killed in that area about a week ago
A Green Beret.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:38 am to okietiger13
quote:A bullet doesn't care who or how bad arse you are.
A Green Beret.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 10:39 am
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:41 am to Kcrad
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Good God that thing was tremendous. Is it about 1/3 the power of Little Boy? I heard that on the internet, so it must be false, anyone know?
William Perry (former Sec of Def) said the MOAB's explosive yield is only 0.011 kilotons
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:47 am to The Nino
Thanks.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:49 am to The Nino
Crazy to think the magnitude of nuclear power compared to conventional. This is the biggest conventional bomb we know of ever built, but the original nuclear bomb from WWII was significantly more powerful.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 11:10 am to GEAUXT
Why would they film the bomb drop with a potato?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 11:17 am to PhifeDogg
If you had access to the hardware and software they use, things would look significantly different.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 11:20 am to GEAUXT
That MOAB was straight up diplomacy.
The unfortunate souls that got their bodies disintegrated or lungs liquified were the mouthpiece of Uncle Sam.
It's no coincidence that NK is utilizing tunnels for it's nuke testing and that they have a great love of digging tunnels.
The BDA will confirm that shite in tunnels ain't safe.
Peace, through superior firepower.
The unfortunate souls that got their bodies disintegrated or lungs liquified were the mouthpiece of Uncle Sam.
It's no coincidence that NK is utilizing tunnels for it's nuke testing and that they have a great love of digging tunnels.
The BDA will confirm that shite in tunnels ain't safe.
Peace, through superior firepower.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 11:24 am
Posted on 4/14/17 at 11:21 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Crazy to think the magnitude of nuclear power compared to conventional.
MOAB's blast yield is about 11 tons of TNT.
This is a picture of the calibration test for the Trinity blast. That's 100 tons of TNT and the world's largest brass balls and the man attached to them standing on top. The largest conventional bombs tend to be around a ton of explosive, so that's 100 regular bombs that you think of or about 10 MOABS that guy is standing on top of. All they used it for was to film and document so when they set Trinity off, they'd have something to compare it to.
The Trinity blast was 200 times more powerful than that giant pile of TNT.
The largest weapons the U.S. ever tested were on the order of 750 times more powerful than Trinity. The Soviets went about 2500 times more powerful than Trinity and claim the weapon was scalable to 5000 times.
This is Trinity.
Nuclear weapons are just so powerful that it's hard for the human mind to get around them without actually seeing them; we just don't have anything in everyday life that's even comparable to the kind of energy released by a runaway nuclear chain reaction. Modern deployed weapons make Hiroshima and Nagasaki look like Black Cats, and are nowhere near the biggest we've ever tested or deployed because as targetting got more accurate, we scaled back the yields because it was simply overkill. Which, in the context of nuclear weapons, is a strange idea.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 11:35 am
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