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Do you feel race relations would be better if CSA still existed.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 7:51 am
Posted on 6/1/17 at 7:51 am
Let me start off by saying that I am trying to be objective in this thread. I would be dishonest in saying I don't have feelings involved (since I hate slavery) but I feel the best way is to have a mature discussion with people you don't totally agree with.
If there was an alternative timeline where the South won the civil war or peace had been made with the Union, do you feel that the plight of slavery would have been resolved.
The Southern states stated in their constitution multiple protections for slavery. It is arguable that the practice could have potentially reached into the 1940s or worse.
If they did willingly abolish slavery, would makes you think the CSA would not become apartheid-based government (ie South Africa). Do you really feel the racial discrimination on that magnitude would be a good thing? There is a difference in living dealing with general life problems and dealing with institutionalized discrimination and hatred.
One positive alternative I have read is that potentially a CSA win would have made achieving civil rights for black a non-issue post slavery. However, I have issues really believing how that occurs since the CSA wanted the right to repress anyone they chose.
For you military aficionados, another scenario would be how WWI and WWII would be fought. There is a strong likelihood that the South would possibly join AXIS powers or that the US/CSA as we know it would never become a world power. Why do you think a nation which abolished slavery would forego that to support a nation that thrives on it. And I doubt the Allied European powers would want that either.
The CSA= Confederate States of America
If there was an alternative timeline where the South won the civil war or peace had been made with the Union, do you feel that the plight of slavery would have been resolved.
The Southern states stated in their constitution multiple protections for slavery. It is arguable that the practice could have potentially reached into the 1940s or worse.
If they did willingly abolish slavery, would makes you think the CSA would not become apartheid-based government (ie South Africa). Do you really feel the racial discrimination on that magnitude would be a good thing? There is a difference in living dealing with general life problems and dealing with institutionalized discrimination and hatred.
One positive alternative I have read is that potentially a CSA win would have made achieving civil rights for black a non-issue post slavery. However, I have issues really believing how that occurs since the CSA wanted the right to repress anyone they chose.
For you military aficionados, another scenario would be how WWI and WWII would be fought. There is a strong likelihood that the South would possibly join AXIS powers or that the US/CSA as we know it would never become a world power. Why do you think a nation which abolished slavery would forego that to support a nation that thrives on it. And I doubt the Allied European powers would want that either.
The CSA= Confederate States of America
This post was edited on 6/1/17 at 8:01 am
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Posted on 6/1/17 at 7:52 am to volod
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mature discussion
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O-T Lounge
Good luck
Posted on 6/1/17 at 7:53 am to volod
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CSA
what is CSA?
Posted on 6/1/17 at 7:53 am to volod
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I have issues really believing how that occurs since the CSA wanted the right to repress anyone they chose.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 7:54 am to volod
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This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 6/1/17 at 7:54 am to volod
Race relations were greatly improving until we had a president set them back 30 years.
The most discriminated against person in the USA today is a straight white male but we can't say that or mass hysteria will ensue.
The most discriminated against person in the USA today is a straight white male but we can't say that or mass hysteria will ensue.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 7:54 am to 4WHLN
Confederate States of America
Posted on 6/1/17 at 7:54 am to volod
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Do you feel race relations would be better if CSA still existed.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 7:56 am to volod
No. No they wouldn't.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 7:57 am to stout
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The most discriminated against person in the USA today is a straight white male but we can't say that or mass hysteria will ensue.
The war on white people is real.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 7:58 am to volod
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I would be dishonest in saying I don't have feelings involved (since I hate slavery)
That's a strong stance to take.
This post was edited on 6/1/17 at 8:00 am
Posted on 6/1/17 at 7:58 am to volod
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Do you feel race relations would be better if CSA still existed.
lol of course not.
Radical Reconstruction basically set back the South for decades. It was bad for the south.
If John Wilkes Booth had not shot Lincoln, then the south's reintegration into the Union probably would have gone a lot better.
This post was edited on 6/1/17 at 7:59 am
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:00 am to Kramer26
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The Civil War was not fought over slavery.
Oh look, there's the Lost Cause.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:01 am to volod
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RACE relations would be better
If we would eliminate the word "race".
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:03 am to Kramer26
And the funny thing is that you actually believe that
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:05 am to tidefan408
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Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:07 am to volod
When slavery was abolished you had the government essentially taking away what people considered their property at that time. This is why there was so much animosity towards black people, but I will say that even supporters of abolition didn't exactly think that black people equal to whites.
I think racism would still exist, but Jim Crow laws would never have existed had the south ended slavery voluntarily. I think over time with pressures from Europe as well as increasing technological innovation, they would have.
I think that history has taught us though that the succeeding from the Union was the wrong thing to do. The South didn't have the industry to maintain much of an industry outside of crops, and I think you'd end up with a country that looks a lot like middle American/south American nations where the poor are very poor and the rich are very rich.
I think racism would still exist, but Jim Crow laws would never have existed had the south ended slavery voluntarily. I think over time with pressures from Europe as well as increasing technological innovation, they would have.
I think that history has taught us though that the succeeding from the Union was the wrong thing to do. The South didn't have the industry to maintain much of an industry outside of crops, and I think you'd end up with a country that looks a lot like middle American/south American nations where the poor are very poor and the rich are very rich.
This post was edited on 6/1/17 at 8:11 am
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:09 am to volod
According to the great philosopher and poet Bocephus, if the south woulda won, we woulda had it made.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:12 am to Kramer26
Yes...i do know my history...either you don't know yours or you live in a state of denial
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:14 am to volod
Race relations would be better if we stopped making everything about race
Many blacks would be doing better if nearly 80% of them weren't born out of wedlock
Many blacks would be doing better if nearly 80% of them weren't born out of wedlock
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