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Posted on 1/9/21 at 12:52 pm to The Boat
quote:if boarding school I agree 100%
Kids at school shouldn’t be quarantining at all. The regular flu is more deadly to them
Posted on 1/9/21 at 12:54 pm to Python
Not on this board it doesn’t I already know that.
But for most of those educated people in the medical community it does still carry weight. Any accredited medical facility still follows CDC guidelines.
But for most of those educated people in the medical community it does still carry weight. Any accredited medical facility still follows CDC guidelines.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 1:02 pm to Python
quote:of course not for the folks here. And all the people that just make up rules. But IF people would even try to follow them we would be so much further ahead of this thing.
statement doesn’t carry the weight you think it does.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 1:04 pm to tigerfoot
So why does hospitalization require 20 days when she was treated with remdisivir which kicked the Covid’s arse? She may need 20 days to recover from this shite but there is no way this should be a 20 day isolation for fear of infecting others
Posted on 1/9/21 at 1:25 pm to CE Tiger
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So why does hospitalization require 20 days when she was treated with remdisivir which kicked the Covid’s arse? She may need 20 days to recover from this shite but there is no way this should be a 20 day isolation for fear of infecting others
Because data has shown that those with more than just mild or moderate cases of COVID are possibly infectious to others longer than 10 days.
She was sick enough to qualify for remdisivir (meaning she was on oxygen). That means she could still be infectious for up to 20 days after start of symptoms/positive test. Hence 20 days of isolation.
This stuff isn't made up numbers. It is from data that has been gathered as they are able to find out more and more about this virus. Obviously as they find out more about it...things will change to reflect those findings.
This post was edited on 1/9/21 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 1/9/21 at 1:37 pm to lsunurse
So is it start of symptoms or positive test? Maybe we can shave off a few days
Posted on 1/9/21 at 1:48 pm to Python
We are quarantining school kids more strictly than nursing home residents and healthcare staff.
I want to know how the CDC came out with that level of hilarity.
I want to know how the CDC came out with that level of hilarity.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 1:49 pm to CE Tiger
My kids go to an Archdiocese of NO school.
Updated policy this week.
If your child is exposed, they can return to school after day 7 with a negative test.
If you don't do a test they must wait 10 days.
Students that have Covid are out 10 days and can return with no retest required.
Updated policy this week.
If your child is exposed, they can return to school after day 7 with a negative test.
If you don't do a test they must wait 10 days.
Students that have Covid are out 10 days and can return with no retest required.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 1:50 pm to Tiger985
Yea it’s the whole problem of them living in the same house potentially being exposed daily.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 2:05 pm to CE Tiger
Do hospitals release severe patients back to home and family including kids with large replicating viral loads still very likely to be infectious without ordering strict isolation from even family for certain number of days when first returning home? I wouldn’t think so, but even if out of abundance of caution any defined contact within what’s listed on discharge info you posted is what school’s policy should follow (14 days from whatever is most recent contact meeting defined criteria your kids had with her within the 3 days after discharge and/or within of the 10 days first positive test or after start of symptoms whichever discharge papers actual lists). I don’t remember time frame of wife’s hospitalization and discharge in relation to the 3 days after discharge and the 10 days after positive test listed on her discharge paperwork you mentioned.
From CDC severely ill patients only might need to stay home longer than 10 days. It’s up to doctor which i assume is what’s on discharge papers.
Also from CDC footnotes - in one study 95% of severe and sometimes also immunocompromised patients’ specimens didn’t have replicating virus after 15 days. That’s just from specimens tested not actual infections caused. Another study listed by CDC found no actual infections developed from high risk household and hospital contacts 6 or more days from start of symptoms (i assume some precautions were still followed even in households but don’t know how high risk defined).
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/end-home-isolation.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/duration-isolation.html
From CDC severely ill patients only might need to stay home longer than 10 days. It’s up to doctor which i assume is what’s on discharge papers.
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People who are severely ill with COVID-19 might need to stay home longer than 10 days and up to 20 days after symptoms first appeared. Persons who are severely immunocompromised may require testing to determine when they can be around others. Talk to your healthcare provider for more information. If testing is available in your community, it may be recommended by your healthcare provider. Your healthcare provider will let you know if you can resume being around other people based on the results of your testing.
Also from CDC footnotes - in one study 95% of severe and sometimes also immunocompromised patients’ specimens didn’t have replicating virus after 15 days. That’s just from specimens tested not actual infections caused. Another study listed by CDC found no actual infections developed from high risk household and hospital contacts 6 or more days from start of symptoms (i assume some precautions were still followed even in households but don’t know how high risk defined).
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Recovery of replication-competent virus between 10 and 20 days after symptom onset has been documented in some persons with severe COVID-19 that, in some cases, was complicated by immunocompromised state (van Kampen et al., 2020).
However, in this series of patients, it was estimated that 88% and 95% of their specimens no longer yielded replication-competent virus after 10 and 15 days, respectively, following symptom onset.
A large contact tracing study demonstrated that high-risk household and hospital contacts did not develop infection if their exposure to a case patient started 6 days or more after the case patient’s illness onset (Cheng et al., 2020).
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/end-home-isolation.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/duration-isolation.html
This post was edited on 1/9/21 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 1/9/21 at 2:06 pm to lsunurse
quote:The nazis said the same thing when killing jew babies.
Just going by the protocols we have where I work at
Posted on 1/9/21 at 2:08 pm to CE Tiger
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They weren’t around her at all the five days she was in the hospital and came back symptom free.
It is 14 days since last contact. Tell the school the kids have been quarantined from the mom and away from her since her diagnosis
This post was edited on 1/9/21 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 1/9/21 at 2:14 pm to CE Tiger
quote:I thought really sick people could shed longer. Look man, I am dealing w it here too. Wife and I both positive. Kids now both negative. It sucks. But they now have to reset their dates to my first symptoms AND we can both quarantine completely from them.
So why does hospitalization require 20 days when she was treated with remdisivir which kicked the Covid’s arse? She may need 20 days to recover from this shite but there is no way this should be a 20 day isolation
Posted on 1/9/21 at 3:11 pm to tigerfoot
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statement doesn’t carry the weight you think it does.
of course not for the folks here. And all the people that just make up rules. But IF people would even try to follow them we would be so much further ahead of this thing.
According to CDC for severe cases any isolation over 10 days is based on what healthcare provider states as these cases only might need to isolate more than 10 days to up to 20 days after symptoms first appeared before they can be around others.
Maybe original poster updated or corrected somewhere, but OP mentioned discharge paperwork stated something like 3 days after discharge and 10 days after first positive test (assuming that’s longest combo of timeframes depending on where discharge date fits within the 10 days or outside of the 10 days), and then within this there is what meets definition of contact between kids and wife. That could be less than 20 actual days from start of wife’s symptoms or even more in some scenarios, but that’s is what should be start of kids’ quarantine not just automatically requiring it to start 20 days from start of wife’s symptoms or using the date wife’s employer agreed she can go back to work.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 3:23 pm to CE Tiger
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Where the hell is the 14 days past initial quarantine coming from ?!?!
Have not read the responses but in Alabama the state department of health tells schools what to do.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 4:58 pm to CE Tiger
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Yea you go tell my wife she can’t be around our kids for longer than 15 minutes after spending 5 days in the hospital away from them.
My wife tested positive 2 weeks before Thanksgiving. The day she tested positive we put her in a separate bedroom with no contact for 10 days. The only time we saw her was if she came out to use the bathroom or via facetime. It sucked, but that's what we had to do in order to only have our lives uprooted for 14 days instead of 28.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 9:06 am to CE Tiger
It's all over the place. My hairstylist is positive, and they want her to return to work next week. The salon called me to reschedule 10 days after she informed me she is positive. I am not taking any chances!
There's no way I am returning and letting someone get that close to me who recently was positive.
I just wish we'd get some rules - and guidance that makes sense-- and makes us truly aware how long someone is contagious after a positive test. I feel like everyone is just making up "rules" that work for them.
Side note-
Sis had it in July. Has it again. So immunity does not last long.
There's no way I am returning and letting someone get that close to me who recently was positive.
I just wish we'd get some rules - and guidance that makes sense-- and makes us truly aware how long someone is contagious after a positive test. I feel like everyone is just making up "rules" that work for them.
Side note-
Sis had it in July. Has it again. So immunity does not last long.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 9:12 am to CE Tiger
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Covid rules for exposed kids in school make no sense by CE Tiger
None of the Covid rules make sense if you think about it.
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