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Conversations between people who differ on faith
Posted on 9/22/19 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 9/22/19 at 6:46 pm
Five Tips for Conversation in our Tense Cultural Moment
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One thing I’ve noticed over the years, is that Christians are very wary of being labelled dogmatic or arrogant. Our culture bristles at any claims of certain knowledge, insisting that such claims constitute intellectual hubris. As a result, Christians often shy away from claiming they know anything for sure.
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But, lurking behind the charge that Christians are arrogant is a certain assumption about the way religion works. Many non-Christians view “religion” as merely human attempts to discover and learn things about God.
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We don’t believe our knowledge comes from our efforts to figure out God, but rather is the result of God graciously revealing himself to us. For Christianity, religion is not about man finding God, but about God showing himself to man.
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You have to speak truth, but you don’t always have to speak. Sometimes I think we have the impression that it is our job to enter into every debate and engage every conversation. Indeed, some Christians seem to be looking for a fight, jumping into the fray whenever they can.
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 6:55 pm to bayoubengals88
Nobody cares about your blog.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 7:40 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:not this christian
Christians are very wary of being labelled dogmatic or arrogant.
quote:while partly true, that statement also contradicts Christ. Seek and you (we) shall find. He reveals bc we seek him. The two are typically inseparable.
We don’t believe our knowledge comes from our efforts to figure out God, but rather is the result of God graciously revealing himself to us.
quote:better to speak too much than not enough. I wish I could do more, but I also wish non believers would be more open to at listening and seeking the truth. It's amazing the world is so nonchalant about eternity.
You have to speak truth, but you don’t always have to speak.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 7:48 pm to arcalades
quote:. Just overall this is a bad thing to go by. When it comes to “sensitive “ topics like religion or politics then it becomes even worse.
Better to speak too much than not enough
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:04 pm to bayoubengals88
As a Christian, I don't really give a shite whether you believe or not. And I really don't feel like my belief is up for debate, as it is based on faith and that is just silly to try to argue proof based on faith. A non-believer (agnostic or atheist) can say all his typical things about being stupid, non-scientific, etc. Again, doesn't phase me nor do I give a shite. I'm the most boring person ever when it comes to that debate.
So you can make all the blogs in the world and go on endless tirades trying to prove that your side is "right", or how Christians are such terrible people to debate with. Yet, we both stand at the end of that incredible waste of time with the same result. Neither of us can really prove what we say is right. Sure, you can pull out inaccuracies here and there, but still. You can't prove the big topic of discussion (existence of God).
And what I do works for me, and what you do works for you. If we both die and nothing happens, great. We were both "right" in our mind for our entire lives, and it worked out for both of us.
I really don't see how you can take it any further than that.
So you can make all the blogs in the world and go on endless tirades trying to prove that your side is "right", or how Christians are such terrible people to debate with. Yet, we both stand at the end of that incredible waste of time with the same result. Neither of us can really prove what we say is right. Sure, you can pull out inaccuracies here and there, but still. You can't prove the big topic of discussion (existence of God).
And what I do works for me, and what you do works for you. If we both die and nothing happens, great. We were both "right" in our mind for our entire lives, and it worked out for both of us.
I really don't see how you can take it any further than that.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:12 pm to bayoubengals88
I don’t converse to others about any religious tenets. No need to start any shite! 
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:12 pm to RealityTiger
I usually don’t talk to people of other religions.. Muslims are a very violent people and I’ve seen many videos where they just gang up on Christians and beat them up. Whenever I do find myself in those situations I use EXTREME caution and keep it very brief.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:18 pm to RealityTiger
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And what I do works for me, and what you do works for you. If we both die and nothing happens, great. We were both "right" in our mind for our entire lives, and it worked out for both of us.
It would be great if more people had a live and let live attitude. Someone's belief system is really non consequential as long as they're not doing anything that adversely affects others.
As a Christian, I actually enjoy talking about people's belief systems. I have some friends that are athiest and we generally have similar life values, and even similar origination ideology. The "big bang" theory actually somewhat lines up with the creationist theory somewhat closely if you think about it. And both make about as much sense. . or lack thereof. But I digress. We've never fought about it. They think creationism is dumb and I think the big bang theory is dumb. Then we just. . .carry on with our lives.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:23 pm to RealityTiger
quote:Well as Christians, we are called to witness to non-believers. I’m not very good at it and admittedly seldom do it, but we have to acknowledge that not caring about what others think isn’t the mindset we should have as Christians.
As a Christian, I don't really give a shite whether you believe or not.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:27 pm to dbeck
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Nobody cares
FIFY
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:30 pm to bayoubengals88
I have no qualms about being labeled dogmatic. Indeed the very word dogma derives from the Greek dekhomai, meaning to teach what is good.
Western Civilization is built on Christian dogma which borrows a small amount from Greek thought. I don’t care if my thoughts and convictions come across as closed minded to spineless, thoughtless cowards. I’d rather have conversations with fundamentalist Muslims than a vacuous agnostic whose “free thought” is code for no thought. Serious conversation with such isn’t possible.
Western Civilization is built on Christian dogma which borrows a small amount from Greek thought. I don’t care if my thoughts and convictions come across as closed minded to spineless, thoughtless cowards. I’d rather have conversations with fundamentalist Muslims than a vacuous agnostic whose “free thought” is code for no thought. Serious conversation with such isn’t possible.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:47 pm to TulaneLSU
I totally invite the subject into discussion. I am quite comfortable with my beliefs and what the Bible states.
Religion is merely advice as to what you need to do to be acceptable to God.
Christianity at it's fundamental core is the exact opposite. It is GOD in his love, mercy, and grace seeking us in and through the person of Jesus the Christ.
Our problem is not feeling worthy enough to ever merit
His love when in reality we are clueless as to how much He loves us. We don't make the way. He did!
Religion is merely advice as to what you need to do to be acceptable to God.
Christianity at it's fundamental core is the exact opposite. It is GOD in his love, mercy, and grace seeking us in and through the person of Jesus the Christ.
Our problem is not feeling worthy enough to ever merit
His love when in reality we are clueless as to how much He loves us. We don't make the way. He did!
Posted on 9/22/19 at 10:16 pm to Bayou
quote:This is precisely what non Christians don’t understand. Well said.
Religion is merely advice as to what you need to do to be acceptable to God.
Christianity at it's fundamental core is the exact opposite.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 10:30 pm to bayoubengals88
Most of your trip is silly.
Old and new. Both childish.
Boring. Silly nonsense.
Old and new. Both childish.
Boring. Silly nonsense.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 11:16 pm to RealityTiger
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As a Christian, I don't really give a shite whether you believe or not.
I do. Someone's eternity may hang on whether you or I care enough to make a defense of our faith to them if they ask. We're to love God with our entire being and our neighbors as ourselves.
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And I really don't feel like my belief is up for debate...
That's almost exactly what is expected of us and our beliefs. Reasonable skepticism based on an unbeliever's doubt, misconception, or ignorance warrant a reasonable account, charitably offered, of what we believe and why we believe it.
Scripture requires it of us.
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear.."
1 Peter 3:15
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as it is based on faith and that is just silly to try to argue proof based on faith.
Respectfully I think you've got this mixed up. You're not arguing proof based on faith but rather are arguing that your faith, my faith, the Church's faith, the Faith is based on proof.
1 Corinthians 15:1-20 Some of the earliest New Testament writings from St. Paul possibly late 30's, early 40's AD stakes his case on evidence, his personal experience and testimony of witnesses who can be cross-examined.
Our faith and hope are on a sure and certain foundation.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 6:24 am to arcalades
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I also wish non believers would be more open to at listening and seeking the truth
Posted on 9/23/19 at 6:58 am to bayoubengals88
Christians are painfully arrogant.
I read, I mean I really studied, this book and now I know what God thinks about...well everything. You know what the creator of the universe thinks about? More than that, I know his feelings....I share in his grace.
OK, first there is no creator and second, what? It’s kookier than arrogance. It’s hard for me to believe in believers, I think it’s just a language of comfort they get into with each other. The secret handshake IS the bullshite language.
The most judgmental people in society are the only ones with carte blanche forgiveness. That’s fricking rich. I can do whatever I want, but that’s because I have the grace of God. There is no forgiveness, there is no cheat code...you are everything you’ve ever done...if even if there was a creator he couldn’t change that.
I read, I mean I really studied, this book and now I know what God thinks about...well everything. You know what the creator of the universe thinks about? More than that, I know his feelings....I share in his grace.
OK, first there is no creator and second, what? It’s kookier than arrogance. It’s hard for me to believe in believers, I think it’s just a language of comfort they get into with each other. The secret handshake IS the bullshite language.
The most judgmental people in society are the only ones with carte blanche forgiveness. That’s fricking rich. I can do whatever I want, but that’s because I have the grace of God. There is no forgiveness, there is no cheat code...you are everything you’ve ever done...if even if there was a creator he couldn’t change that.
This post was edited on 9/23/19 at 7:13 am
Posted on 9/23/19 at 7:12 am to bayoubengals88
Why would anyone talk to a person who isn't a Christian? Seems like nothing good can come from it.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 7:18 am to Space Cadet
quote:sarcasm?
Why would anyone talk to a person who isn't a Christian? Seems like nothing good can come from it.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 7:21 am to Gaston
quote:I think you'd find (if you cared to read) that most Christians admit that God is incomprehensible in many key points of doctrine.
I read, I mean I really studied, this book and now I know what God thinks about...well everything.
Again, We believe he has revealed himself through the Word, meaning both the Incarnate Son and Scripture (John 1)
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