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re: Construction Management redux.....
Posted on 7/23/16 at 8:13 am to Manored77
Posted on 7/23/16 at 8:13 am to Manored77
It is sufficient. We have one guy with an ITT tech degree. You probably won't start at the same salary as a construction management b.s. but it doesn't take long to prove yourself.
I'm sure you've heard it before, get there early, stay later, learn more. Hold off on the masters. I learned more in the first two years of working than I did in my entire time in college.
Once you start climbing within a company and think it will help you to get a masters, most companies will pay for continued education. I know several people that have used this approach to get their mba.
Nothing beats experience
I'm sure you've heard it before, get there early, stay later, learn more. Hold off on the masters. I learned more in the first two years of working than I did in my entire time in college.
Once you start climbing within a company and think it will help you to get a masters, most companies will pay for continued education. I know several people that have used this approach to get their mba.
Nothing beats experience
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Posted on 7/23/16 at 8:27 am to Manored77
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Then how are these grads getting jobs in construction after graduating?
Currently in school for engineering with a CM minor.
Worked a few summers as a steel helper, then eventually landed an interview with a local construction company at the career fair for LSU.
During the interview they mentioned how I had already worked in the field and how that was crucial.
Long story short, I got the job and currently working at DOW while still in school.
So pretty much going to work my arse off until I graduate and let the chips fall where they may in regards to the future.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 8:33 am to AUbagman
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Did LSU not stress the importance of internships/co-op in this field?
No, they highly stress this and are top notch when it comes to helping us find internships.
Don't know what happened with the OP in particular.
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 8:33 am
Posted on 7/23/16 at 8:36 am to BlackCoffeeKid
LSU needs to make an engineering management degree, or at least add this discipline in each engineering major. Basically have pure technical engineers who want to eventually be staff engineers, and then a more managerial side fit those who want that.
Most companies I've worked for offer two promotional paths, one staff and one management. The staff side is slower to move up in and tougher overall, but at most stages the managerial side gets paid more.
Most companies I've worked for offer two promotional paths, one staff and one management. The staff side is slower to move up in and tougher overall, but at most stages the managerial side gets paid more.
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 8:40 am
Posted on 7/23/16 at 8:53 am to dandymatt
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By working in the field he means being on an actual commercial or industrial job site. You will probably not be swinging a hammer unless you go to work for a subcontractor. You will be tasked with doing whatever the superintendent or field operations manager needs you to do. You may be taking pictures and marking up drawings, shadowing a superintendent, etc. Being in the field gives you a good opportunity to learn how a project is built from the ground up and to experience some of the challenges that projects encounter.
This. All of this.
10 years in here. First 3 years out of school were spent out in the field. Field experience for project managers is an absolute must. You've got to learn how things work on a job site, and the nomenclature of construction before you can written contracts and put together schedules. To this day I still spend 2 days a week in the field.
I really haven't encountered any situation where having a graduate degree would benefit me. Hell I don't know if I'd take a potential employer seriously if they were worried about my education at this point in my career.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 9:00 am to Manored77
You have the degree. You are now in the step where you need to get your hands dirty. How can you manage a job effectively if you have no idea what goes on day to day?
Furthermore, you will not get the most out of your employees nor will you get their respect coming on the site with your pretty little khakis and polo and brand new shiny hard hat barking out unrealistic orders with not a lick of experience. You know what makes the best PM and planners? The ones who have done it, even if for a year or less. The ones who come straight out of a college classroom, struggle.
Furthermore, you will not get the most out of your employees nor will you get their respect coming on the site with your pretty little khakis and polo and brand new shiny hard hat barking out unrealistic orders with not a lick of experience. You know what makes the best PM and planners? The ones who have done it, even if for a year or less. The ones who come straight out of a college classroom, struggle.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 9:51 am to RealityTiger
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Almost every GC in DFW is hiring right now. We just hired 3 kids out of college as field engineers that had business or finance degrees. Give them a tape measure and start making punch list and addressing quality control. They will manage onsite materials, jobsite conditions, enforce the safety program, generate RFIs, daily reports...etc.
You hired them right out of college as field engineers? They didn't even have CM degrees?
See I'm not knocking any of the advice here or ignoring it by asking questions. It's just I'm getting several different answers. Just today I found a few posts on Craigslist of construction companies looking for assistant project manager, no experience just be a recent Grad from an engineering or CM or equivalent. There is a lot of job site work involved though.
Is this what you meant when you hired Patron?
There seem to be many roads into this field but I do value the on site job experience.
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 9:59 am
Posted on 7/23/16 at 9:56 am to BlackCoffeeKid
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they highly stress this and are top notch when it comes to helping us find internships.
Don't know what happened with the OP in particular.
I'm barely a month into the program. You're probably on campus doing the on campus bachelors degree. I'm doing the Post Bac certificate online all the way out in California. I'll have to see how far their resources stretch but Kingbob already mentioned that San Diego is where many alumni are. I'm in Burbank though which is a bit further north. I'm sure I'll land something.
First I have to see if they even offer such resources/services to online Post Bac candidates.
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 9:57 am
Posted on 7/23/16 at 10:12 am to Manored77
Why do you want to work in a low class, blue collar career field?
Posted on 7/23/16 at 10:19 am to Manored77
Manored, I can offer a slightly different perspective.
I am a construction material supplier, and have interviewed well over 100 disgruntled CM graduates.
Walk into an interview and honestly ask how they can offer you a plan to be well rounded, and create a career. The more you know, the better off you will be. This is a slow process. Be patient and learn, but be clear that you want to learn.
Anyone that ever brings up money in the first interview is asked to leave immediately.
I am a construction material supplier, and have interviewed well over 100 disgruntled CM graduates.
Walk into an interview and honestly ask how they can offer you a plan to be well rounded, and create a career. The more you know, the better off you will be. This is a slow process. Be patient and learn, but be clear that you want to learn.
Anyone that ever brings up money in the first interview is asked to leave immediately.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:00 am to Screaming Viking
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Manored, I can offer a slightly different perspective.
I am a construction material supplier, and have interviewed well over 100 disgruntled CM graduates.
Walk into an interview and honestly ask how they can offer you a plan to be well rounded, and create a career. The more you know, the better off you will be. This is a slow process. Be patient and learn, but be clear that you want to learn.
Anyone that ever brings up money in the first interview is asked to leave immediately.
That's all I want is to establish a career. Money is not an issue for me. That all will come much later with experience and fortitude. All I want is a foot in the door and I'm willing to work hard and do what it takes.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:21 am to Pelagic Patron
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It is sufficient. We have one guy with an ITT tech degree. You probably won't start at the same salary as a construction management b.s. but it doesn't take long to prove yourself.
If a guy with an ITT Tech degree can find work, I don't see why I couldn't either. LSU has a great rep for CM. I am sure even at the basic Post Bac level it's seen in a good light.
Salary means nothing to me right now. I'd work for hourly pay. All that matters is being able to learn on the job.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:35 am to Manored77
CM major 1 year from graduating checking in.
Sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders, bud. Take everything these guys have said and run with it. I'll have two summers in the field, ~6 months total + about 1 year in the office working under a PM by graduation. The poster that talked about earning the field guys' respect was spot on. When you first start your going to be looked at as a prissy college boy. Prove them wrong. I have benefitted a metric shite ton by just showing up to a site on time at 6:30 and working my arse in the dirt.
Once you gain that respect from your supers and hourly guys, it'll come from the office too.
And to expand upon what others have said LSU is very adamant about getting experience and is well connected in construction. The problem is there are 2 types of CM students. The ones willing to sweat, and the ones who are bitches. A lot of my classmates think they're going to graduate and waltz into a cushy air conditioned office making 60k - 70k. frick that. Put me on the site and tell me what you want done. Come hell or high water that shite is going to be done.
Sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders, bud. Take everything these guys have said and run with it. I'll have two summers in the field, ~6 months total + about 1 year in the office working under a PM by graduation. The poster that talked about earning the field guys' respect was spot on. When you first start your going to be looked at as a prissy college boy. Prove them wrong. I have benefitted a metric shite ton by just showing up to a site on time at 6:30 and working my arse in the dirt.
Once you gain that respect from your supers and hourly guys, it'll come from the office too.
And to expand upon what others have said LSU is very adamant about getting experience and is well connected in construction. The problem is there are 2 types of CM students. The ones willing to sweat, and the ones who are bitches. A lot of my classmates think they're going to graduate and waltz into a cushy air conditioned office making 60k - 70k. frick that. Put me on the site and tell me what you want done. Come hell or high water that shite is going to be done.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:44 am to baseballmind1212
This is 100% what I have noticed...I graduated LSU in CM in 04 with 7 summers on my tools experience and was put back on my tools for a year after I graduated. That is the only way to learn and you will get no respect from the industry if you have never been in the field.
I love being in the field too, was not made for the office cube.
I love being in the field too, was not made for the office cube.
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 11:48 am
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:08 pm to MAUCKjersey1
Baseballmind and Mauckjersey, I'm all for that. And I will find it. Now Louisiana is different from CA. Here they have local unions that sort of control the market and I was under the impression that to find work with no experience you'd have to go through their apprenticeship program. Would that even be a solid answer?
I mean I am just getting all sorts of answers. One to join a subcontractors and do day laborer. Others say just wait for an internship and show a manager onsite. I'll do it all. In fact I like the two summers and then shadowing thing you did, Baseball.
I think I am going to contact LSU and start asking about all the resources they offer online candidates in the Post Bac out of state. I am sure they have something even if its small.
At least I am glad that LSU has such a good rep in the field and has established such contacts.
I mean I am just getting all sorts of answers. One to join a subcontractors and do day laborer. Others say just wait for an internship and show a manager onsite. I'll do it all. In fact I like the two summers and then shadowing thing you did, Baseball.
I think I am going to contact LSU and start asking about all the resources they offer online candidates in the Post Bac out of state. I am sure they have something even if its small.
At least I am glad that LSU has such a good rep in the field and has established such contacts.
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:17 pm to Manored77
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You hired them right out of college as field engineers? They didn't even have CM degrees?
I accepted a job as a project engineer mid way through my last semester of college after mulling over four job offers.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:29 pm to Manored77
Son graduated in May, from LSU, in CM. Has worked in Fab Shop FR & Soph years of school and under 3 PM's his Jr and Sr year.
On site South of Houston now for at least a year.
On site South of Houston now for at least a year.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:32 pm to 4LSU2
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I accepted a job as a project engineer mid way through my last semester of college after mulling over four job offers.
Are you bachelors or masters? Are you familiar at all with the Post Bac? it's six core courses, accelerated from the bachelors level. Sort of like a second major for an unrelated BS. I have it in Econ.
You think any of those employees would cobsider someone like me with a post Bac cert in CM like they did with you for employment for a PM or assistant PM.
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:45 pm to Manored77
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Construction Management redux..... by Manored77
Pelagic Patron, do you think a Post Bac Certificate that has all the basics is sufficient to land the work you're talking about? Or should I hold off until I finish a masters?
You keep talking about a post bac certificate or some bullshite.. Are you not reading what these guys are posting? Get up, shoot out your resumes, take a job. Get out of the classroom, these certificates mean less than you think.
You sound like you have one foot in and one foot out
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:46 pm to Manored77
I'm not familiar with a post Bach certificate and have not come across a candidate with a master's in CM in the fifteen years I've been in the industry. I'm upper management now and am part of the hiring process at the company I work for.
We have several project engineers that are not CM degreed, but do have degrees in other fields.
We have several project engineers that are not CM degreed, but do have degrees in other fields.
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