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re: Construction Management redux.....
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:51 pm to Manored77
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:51 pm to Manored77
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Are you bachelors or masters? Are you familiar at all with the Post Bac?
I get it's your future livelihood and all, but I feel like you are over-thinking the shite out of this dude.
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Posted on 7/23/16 at 2:12 pm to BlackCoffeeKid
quote:I know what happened. He has no experience in construction and has no collegiate background in construction. He's planning on taking 6 courses which he hopes will fast-track him to the to the top.
Don't know what happened with the OP in particular.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 2:16 pm to 4LSU2
After this thread, If I have to read post bac again, it won't be long enough.
The OP has to be of a diff culture, I bet Indian decent. Otherwise he screams red flag.
The OP has to be of a diff culture, I bet Indian decent. Otherwise he screams red flag.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 2:18 pm to Dodd
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I bet Indian decent.
So you're telling me that he's not from Pierre Part??
Posted on 7/23/16 at 2:22 pm to AnOddDevice
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Construction Management redux..... by AnOddDevice
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Don't know what happened with the OP in particular.
I know what happened. He has no experience in construction and has no collegiate background in construction. He's planning on taking 6 courses which he hopes will fast-track him to the to the top.
This is how I read it also. He's looking for someone to agree with his path to a career. He doesn't understand any of the legitimate advice people are posting.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 2:28 pm to BlackCoffeeKid
quote:
I get it's your future livelihood and all, but I feel like you are over-thinking the shite out of this dude.
I totally agree with this guy. Most of the posters in this thread have given you some ideas, now you need to put these ideas into action. Start submitting some resumes.
In all honesty, you may not Like this industry. Until you learn enough for an employer to not think you are expendable; your job may not be very much fun. My first 4-5 years in the industry were tough from a financial and mental standpoint. I made it to where I am now b/c I busted my arse and didn't focus on much of anything else.
I'm telling you this because you better be ready to start work at 6:30 or 7 in the morning and work to 6 or 7 PM or longer. If none of this bothers you, then get after it.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 2:35 pm to dandymatt
Alright I get it. It will be a long road and in order to excel I would have to get my hands dirty. I said I don't mind that. I'm trying to answer all respondents who offer conflicting advice that's all.
What's up with the insults and red flag calls? Seriously this isn't rocket science and I'm overthinking this because I'm investing some hard earned money on getting started. Cut me some slack. I'm only answering people who are offering other experiences. I'm not ignoring the sound advice people have already given me. I'm not looking to just take six courses and be at the top. That's stupid and at this point some of you are just insulting for the heck of it. I get it. It's to break down the wet behind the ears college guy who thinks a piece of paper is going to get him a Cush job in an office managing the hard tough guys on the ground. That's not what this is.
What's up with the insults and red flag calls? Seriously this isn't rocket science and I'm overthinking this because I'm investing some hard earned money on getting started. Cut me some slack. I'm only answering people who are offering other experiences. I'm not ignoring the sound advice people have already given me. I'm not looking to just take six courses and be at the top. That's stupid and at this point some of you are just insulting for the heck of it. I get it. It's to break down the wet behind the ears college guy who thinks a piece of paper is going to get him a Cush job in an office managing the hard tough guys on the ground. That's not what this is.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:02 pm to Manored77
It's not "breaking you down." It's pointing out that you know dick about construction and 18 hours of "accelerated" coursework won't change that.
Poster after poster told you that you'd be better served picking up some tools and getting dirty but that clearly isn't what you wanted to hear.
Almost no one here cares about your Econ degree. Even fewer care about a semester and a half of classes. No one in the field is going to care about either.
Just remember that while you're shelling out money for some goofy certification there will be a line of men not afraid to jump in and do the work. By the time you realize that's what you should have done, you'll be a fewer thousand poorer and those guys will be running crews and will have gained a lifetime's worth of knowledge compared to what you learned in a few months.
Poster after poster told you that you'd be better served picking up some tools and getting dirty but that clearly isn't what you wanted to hear.
Almost no one here cares about your Econ degree. Even fewer care about a semester and a half of classes. No one in the field is going to care about either.
Just remember that while you're shelling out money for some goofy certification there will be a line of men not afraid to jump in and do the work. By the time you realize that's what you should have done, you'll be a fewer thousand poorer and those guys will be running crews and will have gained a lifetime's worth of knowledge compared to what you learned in a few months.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:40 pm to AnOddDevice
Oh get off it! I didn't say I wouldn't do it and even said I'd do what it takes. If that means less reliance on degrees and more on field work then so be it. I don't know how you thought in between thinking about writing a useless post that I was avoiding the sound advice offered. Seriously you just felt the need to do some net tough talk. Feel better now?
Point is I appreciate the advice here and was just trying to answer all the posts. I don't know how you and others interpreted that as avoiding good advice in favor of jumping the line. It does sound like roughneck talk to try and get a wet behind the ears guy to further understand a point he already gets. Field experience >>> education. I was just asking what kind of field experience is best. It' isn't avoiding dirty work. How bad is your reading comprehension?
Point is I appreciate the advice here and was just trying to answer all the posts. I don't know how you and others interpreted that as avoiding good advice in favor of jumping the line. It does sound like roughneck talk to try and get a wet behind the ears guy to further understand a point he already gets. Field experience >>> education. I was just asking what kind of field experience is best. It' isn't avoiding dirty work. How bad is your reading comprehension?
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:01 am to Manored77
I suppose as bad as yours.
You were told time and again how to get started, and time and again you droned about some silly classes.
Here's the best advice you'll get in this thread - don't get involved in this work. If you're this thin-skinned you won't last a week when you're in the hot or cold or rain and the guys are treating you like the pussy you are.
Stay on the west coast, sip a soy latte and stay inside. You aren't built for this.
You were told time and again how to get started, and time and again you droned about some silly classes.
Here's the best advice you'll get in this thread - don't get involved in this work. If you're this thin-skinned you won't last a week when you're in the hot or cold or rain and the guys are treating you like the pussy you are.
Stay on the west coast, sip a soy latte and stay inside. You aren't built for this.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:07 am to AnOddDevice
frick off. I was told to incorporate field experience with the degree but to over emphasize field experience because the degree means balls without the experience. I accepted that part and said I'd work for hourly pay, for peanuts just to get experience. What part of that did you not get in between thinking you're an internet roughneck telling a "college boy" what's up.
This isn't about being "thin-skinned" it's about your hangups about another college guy getting into this line of work with less experience than you or some other insecure hang up. I get that it's hard work, ball busting, and will give me callouses on my latte sipping hands or what ever other cliched stereotypes you think. It's not the military and I am not going to Iraq, so get off your fricking high horse and step aside, old man. I get the advice and get it well. I was asking about how much time is needed, whether to do day labor or shadow a field engineer, apprenticeship or not. Questions pertaining to the field experience, you fricking dolt. The part about the classes was just if it was relevant or not.
This isn't about being "thin-skinned" it's about your hangups about another college guy getting into this line of work with less experience than you or some other insecure hang up. I get that it's hard work, ball busting, and will give me callouses on my latte sipping hands or what ever other cliched stereotypes you think. It's not the military and I am not going to Iraq, so get off your fricking high horse and step aside, old man. I get the advice and get it well. I was asking about how much time is needed, whether to do day labor or shadow a field engineer, apprenticeship or not. Questions pertaining to the field experience, you fricking dolt. The part about the classes was just if it was relevant or not.
This post was edited on 7/24/16 at 12:12 am
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:12 am to Manored77
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I'm going to share something with you and don't want you to take this the wrong way. To an employer your degree means not much more than to let us know that you're smart enough to pass the classes and persistent enough to stick it out to earn your degree. Your real learning will take place on the job. Get hired on as a helper during the summer and work in the field in whatever discipline of construction you want to go in. You'll want to quit, but it will be the best learning experience of your life. See if that company will hire you on as intern during the school year. When you graduate and look for a job don't get hung up on your title, just get your foot in the door, come in early, leave late, work your arse off and always look for an opportunity to learn. When asked to do something or go somewhere to help the company - say "Yes, I'll do whatever I can to help the company". Do these things and you'll endear yourself to your boss, make more money and get opportunities for advancement.
all this. no matter what. if you want a masters, your company will pay for it in the end. All you have to do is convince them its in their best interest.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:16 am to Whoopdedo_LSU
Of course. Thanks. Yeah, that makes sense. I am already looking into where to sign up. I am already invested into this degree so I will probably see about summer work first then see about other stuff. I already figured it was going to be hard. I am ready despite what other might weirdly think from a few internet posts.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:28 am to Manored77
Nah, not worried. In fact, we hire hands every month. I bid and quote jobs where excavation and shoring is required. I also did the work for a few years and had a little college under my belt (less than you, actually). My employer is footing the bill for me to go back to school as well as a BCSP cert.
We hire people that want to work, like most places. Experience or college isn't needed.
That's what I don't get about you and your incessant whining. Go out and work. You cry about needing experience. Go get it. I've never heard of a construction group that won't hire an able bodied person. I don't know about everyone else, but we call them neck-downs because that's all we need them for.
Of course a person with intelligence would stand out in a group like that and they begin running crews or other aspects of the job.
So go start at the bottom and get noticed. It won't be hard. The same advice no less than a half dozen people already gave you.
We hire people that want to work, like most places. Experience or college isn't needed.
That's what I don't get about you and your incessant whining. Go out and work. You cry about needing experience. Go get it. I've never heard of a construction group that won't hire an able bodied person. I don't know about everyone else, but we call them neck-downs because that's all we need them for.
Of course a person with intelligence would stand out in a group like that and they begin running crews or other aspects of the job.
So go start at the bottom and get noticed. It won't be hard. The same advice no less than a half dozen people already gave you.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:32 am to AnOddDevice
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Nah, not worried. In fact, we hire hands every month. I bid and quote jobs where excavation and shoring is required. I also did the work for a few years and had a little college under my belt (less than you, actually). My employer is footing the bill for me to go back to school as well as a BCSP cert.
We hire people that want to work, like most places. Experience or college isn't needed.
That's what I don't get about you and your incessant whining. Go out and work. You cry about needing experience. Go get it. I've never heard of a construction group that won't hire an able bodied person. I don't know about everyone else, but we call them neck-downs because that's all we need them for.
Of course a person with intelligence would stand out in a group like that and they begin running crews or other aspects of the job.
So go start at the bottom and get noticed. It won't be hard. The same advice no less than a half dozen people already gave you.
Thanks. Yes, I realize that, accepting it and am bracing myself for the hard work.
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