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re: Considering swimming laps to get in better shape..input needed

Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:54 pm to
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:54 pm to
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Just a heads up about swimming. If you are looking to improve fitness levels, do it. If you are looking to lose weight, don't bother.

Swimming tricks your body into thinking you burned more calories than you did. You know how you're always starving after you swim?

I saw my college roommate gain weight swimming. Dude could swim forever, but that didn't mean anything for his weight.


This is stupid advice. It's like anything else. You can't expect to lose weight by swimming for 45 minutes then going inside and eating a large pizza. Swimming is great for losing weight when paired with eating healthy.
Posted by forksup
Member since Dec 2013
8817 posts
Posted on 7/6/14 at 11:25 pm to
1) Join a Master's class if possible. At least to learn the basics. Unless you're a student~ Join your college's triathlon team! Go ASU

2) Don't give up.

3) 90% is technique. The endurance will come on slowly but surely.

4) Have a snack ready for afterwards. You are going to want to eat EVERYTHING.

I taught my buddy to swim this past spring for a month and a half. He's on the heavier side and has got bad knees so he was wondering if I could help him out. He started off the first day doing 8x50m in 30 minutes with tons of rest. On his final day, he finished a 2400m workout in 1 hour, looked slimmer, and had gotten rid of his farmer's tan haha. Keep at it, keep bettering your technique, and keep swimming!
Posted by thesoccerfanjax
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 7/6/14 at 11:29 pm to
True. But swimming IS known to increase your appetite a lot more in proportion to how many calories you actually burn. Just be smart about it.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:11 am to
Do not join a masters program until you have been swimming a few weeks.
Posted by asurob1
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:12 am to
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True. But swimming IS known to increase your appetite a lot more in proportion to how many calories you actually burn. Just be smart about it.


Have swam laps for 10 years. If you are smart you will get a swimmers body pretty quickly. Part of being smart is not consuming tons of shite food when you are done. Like anything you have to burn more calories then you put into your body.
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:35 am to
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But swimming IS known to increase your appetite a lot more in proportion to how many calories you actually burn.


Total BS. Maybe when you first start swimming and you are not used to working out hard. But I swim 4 times a week with a masters group.....bout 2700 to 3000 meters a workout. I don't eat anymore than before I started swimming a lot. Its just another workout. I also run once a week and cycle once a week and stay pretty trim.
Posted by House_of Cards
Pascagoula, MS
Member since Dec 2013
3927 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 2:00 am to
If the goal is weight loss, combine swimming with weights. Swimming doesn't develop muscle mass which is critical. It is excellent cardio, though. I would advise an simple 45 minute routine consisting of a ten minute warmup, main set of about 1,000 yards for cardio and then a sprint set. 6-8x25s sprints at 1:30 is good for fat burn off. High intensity will activate fat burning fuels and combined with weights can be a perfect compliment.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 5:03 am to
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Swimming is great for losing weight when paired with eating healthy.




Personally I prefer Speed Walking, the street is right outside my door
Posted by Putty
Member since Oct 2003
25485 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:37 am to
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have never swam laps on a regular basis.


then ignore the posts saying to swim nonstop for a long time or yardage. Unless you are training for a triathalon or a distance swim, this is pointless IMO. Do intervals - you'll get better results, see improvement faster, and not lose your mind swimming for days on end. Other than warmups and cool downs, we didn't ever just swim for long periods of time. Even intervals of 200yds were pretty rare.

Depending on your endurance, the following should be a decent start (add yardage and eliminate rest as you get stronger):

1. warmup - 200 any stroke(s)
2. 4x50 freestyle on 15 sec. rest (200 yds)
3. 4x50 back on 15 sec rest (200 yds)
4. 4x50 breast on 15 sec rest (200 yds)
5. 4x50 freestyle on 15 sec rest (200 yds)
6. 12x25 freestyle on 10 sec rest (alternating kick only, then pull only, then swim) (300 yds)
7. 12x25 freestyle on 10 sec rest (alternating easy, then medium, then fast) (300 yds)
8. cool down - 200 any stroke(s)

That's 1800 yds and should be a solid workout for most. If it's too much or takes too long out of the gate, just dial it back a bit and make it a goal. Once you are starting to see consistent times on your intervals (i.e., you are finishing most 50 free in 30 sec, then set a defined interval that should give you the right rest (i.e. 45 seconds) - if you finish early you get more rest, loaf it, and you get less)

Nothing is bible either other than a decent warm up and cool down. Change it up, throw in some underwater breast, make the set free, back breast as opposed to having separate sets for each, etc.

Oh, and don't join a masters team yet. You'll just get pissed watching those old frickers keep lapping you. Most of them are former competitive swimmers. I do, however, think its a good idea to maybe talk with the masters coach in your area and see if he'll help you put together a program or give you advice.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 8:42 am
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
17486 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:49 am to
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If the goal is weight loss, combine swimming with weights. Swimming doesn't develop muscle mass which is critical. It is excellent cardio, though. I would advise an simple 45 minute routine consisting of a ten minute warmup, main set of about 1,000 yards for cardio and then a sprint set. 6-8x25s sprints at 1:30 is good for fat burn off. High intensity will activate fat burning fuels and combined with weights can be a perfect compliment.


If you incorporate high intensity swimming with eating right you will lose weight. It's really that simple.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53749 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:55 am to
Look into a masters swim group. Even if you only join for a couple of months it will give you a good foundation of where you are, where you need to go and how to get there.

Swimming is all about technique. The sooner you start to develop a proper position in the water, a proper kick, proper rotation and a good catch the better off you will be. No, you don't need flawless technique, but subtle changes and drills designed by swim coaches help develop this technique allowing for longer and more beneficial workouts targeted for your goal.

Not all masters classes are created the same. Some of them are for people who want to swim masters meets, but the new age of a masters class is filled with triathletes in alot of places and alot of them are just starting out in a pool as well. I swim three times a week and there are some of us who can swim 100 yards on 1:30/1:35 for 30 minutes or so and some others who do it on 2:00. It's all about finding a swim coach and a masters program that fits your schedule and goals.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 9:01 am
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53749 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:07 am to
Regarding post swim hunger; it is believed by alot of people that the cooler water temps (78-85 most of the year) causes the body to lose heat and drop your core temp preventing the release of certain chemicals in the body that suppress hunger. To help combat post swim hunger, head straight to the hot tub, steam room or take a hot shower to bring your core temp back up and like with any exercise the sooner you follow your workout with a meal or drink with a good carb/protein ratio the less chance you have of over eating.
Posted by ithad2bme
Houston transplant from B.R.
Member since Sep 2008
3468 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:14 am to
Try here Masters swim association and you can find the group closest to you.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53749 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:14 am to
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This way you can crawl for longer periods to build up swimming stamina without having to concentrate on staying above the water. You can still kick, but more importantly, you can concentrate on your form


This could be the worst advice regarding a swim buoy I have ever heard.

A buoy helps because it raises the position of the swimmer (hips) in the water. By raising the hips, it creates a buoyant effect similar to what a wetsuit does. The less you have to work on staying buoyant, the easier it is to swim.

You should not kick while using a pull buoy and should use it very judiciously anyway as people can get dependent on a pull buoy and never truly develop a strong core which is required for a strong position. When you do use a pull buoy you should really concentrate on lengthening your stroke and feeling the glide through the water, then a strong catch to initiate the next glide.

A good buoy workout might be a 1500 yard set of 10x150s). 25 kick on one side (right arm out, facing the left side of the pool, left arm by the side), 25 kick on the other, then 50 with the pull buoy, then a 50 swim. Take :20 rest and repeat 9 more times. This workout develops a strong kick (WITHOUT A KICKBOARD) by engaging the hamstrings on the side, then focuses the swimmer on his catch and glide, then the final 50 puts the kick and pull together to see what it should feel like.

Posted by ithad2bme
Houston transplant from B.R.
Member since Sep 2008
3468 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:18 am to
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the sooner you follow your workout with a meal or drink with a good carb/protein ratio the less chance you have of over eating

That's good advice, I have been swimming before work for years and eat a protein bar for breakfast after my swim.

I haven't noticed weight gain at all from swimming, in fact I am very lean, but I mix in running and weights as well.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Member since Feb 2007
103014 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:33 am to
I'm a terribly in efficient swimmer. Short and stocky and bulky upper body. Inflexible ahoulders. I took lessons with a lady from rice a couple years ago and she helped me a lot. I went to being able to swim about 700 yards without stopping but I was gassed at the end. I haven't really swam in a over a year and doubt I could swim more than 200 right now and I would be totally gassed. The key for me was doing drills that helped with form. I love the workouts but hate cold water and hate getting to a pool and fighting or waiting for a lane.
Posted by FriscoKid
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2005
5121 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:16 pm to
Always thought the bouy was the opposite of a kick board, allowing you to work on stroke. The kick board allows work on your legs. Both can be worked into a solid routine. Follow Putty's advise. It's a solid program. As for masters program's they have a lane for beginner swimmers because of the popularity of tri athletes. There are a ton of people swimming who are not experienced. I am looking into crawfish aquatics program in BR.
Posted by FriscoKid
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2005
5121 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:22 pm to
The pool is cold for a reason! To get your arse moving, nothing like a cold pool at 5:00 am.
Posted by JimMorrison
The Peninsula
Member since May 2012
20747 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:25 pm to
swimming laps in a cold pool is so much better than a warm pool.


plus I heard there is like science going on with the water molecules when it's cold. it lowers the viscosity
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:36 pm to
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That sounds like a great idea..if anyone knows of any masters swimming programs in the Nola area, please let me know..


Marshall Love aka Love's Swimming. He's the best you're going to find in the New Orleans area. He hold clinic 530 every morning at Newman. Look him up. At the very least you can use him for a month or two to get started then join the Reily Center at Tulane and train on your own.
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