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COMPLIANCE issue paramount
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:36 pm
I am 99.5% convinced of one fact.
If any community of people will learn to comply with police directives, then the cop shootings go away.
We saw an arrest on TV last night that illustrates this point without argument.
There is a time to fight police and that would be in the courtroom, because we're a nation of laws.
Otherwise there is no answer and no hope. This is the fundamental cornerstone of repairing our country and our race relations in regards to these shootings.
Without exception, every killing we've seen over the last five years on TV, concerning a white cop and a black perp, this fundamental principle was violated.
The madness can be stopped, If there is a will to do so.
If any community of people will learn to comply with police directives, then the cop shootings go away.
We saw an arrest on TV last night that illustrates this point without argument.
There is a time to fight police and that would be in the courtroom, because we're a nation of laws.
Otherwise there is no answer and no hope. This is the fundamental cornerstone of repairing our country and our race relations in regards to these shootings.
Without exception, every killing we've seen over the last five years on TV, concerning a white cop and a black perp, this fundamental principle was violated.
The madness can be stopped, If there is a will to do so.
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Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:37 pm to munchman
You suck at life.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:37 pm to munchman
The guy in Minnesota was complying and he got shot?
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:38 pm to munchman
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COMPLIANCE issue paramount
It's more politically expedient to frame the debate around race than police brutality or compliance.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:39 pm to Halftrack
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The guy in Minnesota was complying and he got shot?
Kinda destroys your argument OP.
Also, I'd like to add that it's hard to comply when you're getting punched in the face and that happens a lot.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:39 pm to Halftrack
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The guy in Minnesota was complying and he got shot?
Are you asking a question?
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:40 pm to Halftrack
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The guy in Minnesota was complying and he got shot?
Was he? I know we have the testimony of his GF. Has any other evidence come out yet? Not being a smartass. I haven't been following that case very much.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:41 pm to munchman
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The madness can be stopped, If there is a will to do so.
So how do we go about stopping it? Because I don't see a solution that you're offering, just assignment of blame.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:41 pm to upgrayedd
There is no evidence that he wasn't.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:42 pm to Halftrack
So it seems. But since the video started rolling after the bloodshed, we can only go by their word. My theory is that he first mentioned his weapon while simultaneously reaching into his pocket, leaving the cop to decide whether he was pulling his weapon or his wallet. Only seconds to decide which way to respond. The carry license was brought up by the driver a few seconds too late. The officer had already switched to survive mode. Again, my theory.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:42 pm to LucasP
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Also, I'd like to add that it's hard to comply when you're getting punched in the face and that happens a lot.
My wife has worked in most of the ERs in BR at one point or another. She is by no means a black sympathizer, but she has told me many stories about BRPD treating inmates and perps like stray dogs that just shite on your most expensive dress shoes right before Sunday church.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:42 pm to Halftrack
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There is no evidence that he wasn't.
Surely there's at least dashcam footage, right?
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:42 pm to LucasP
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The guy in Minnesota was complying and he got shot?
There is no evidence he was compliant. The only evidence is that he was shot. We do not have video evidence of anything except His death.
The evidence may prove that he did comply but we're not there yet.
On the face of it the shoot looks like a bad one. But no one can say that there is empirical evidence at this point.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:43 pm to Halftrack
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There is no evidence that he wasn't.
What evidence has been released.
Ferguson proved that a biased witness statement might not be that reliable.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:43 pm to munchman
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Without exception, every killing we've seen over the last five years on TV, concerning a white cop and a black perp, this fundamental principle was violated.
I can think of at least one case that disagrees with your stance- and she was a child killed by police.
I agree more people should cooperate with police where the law allows- the problem is a lot of police don't like being told no, ever, even to legally mandated things (consent to search comes to mind).
That of course doesn't excuse people from being violent and resisting arrest.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:44 pm to munchman
So what's your solution? I understand that we need "the will" to implement it, but what is it exactly?
This post was edited on 7/8/16 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:46 pm to TDFreak
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But since the video started rolling after the bloodshed, we can only go by their word. My theory is that he first mentioned his weapon while simultaneously reaching into his pocket,
Should we have taken Michael Browns friends word that he was shot while on his knees with his hands up?
Theories are shite without any facts to back them up.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:46 pm to munchman
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If any community of people will learn to comply with police directives, then the cop shootings go away.
Deceased United States Military Academy Graduate Erik Scott would disagree if he were alive. He was informed by police to drop his legal concealed weapon and as he moved to try and unholster his weapon an officer shot him perceiving a threat
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This post was edited on 7/8/16 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:47 pm to TDFreak
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Only seconds to decide which way to respond. The carry license was brought up by the driver a few seconds too late.
when your hands are up........the cop doesn't ask you to get your I.D. He walks up to you and pats you down. there is no fricking way the cop told him to get his I.D. AFTER his hands were in the air and AFTER he notified him that he was legaly carrying. I call bullshite.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:49 pm to LucasP
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So what's your solution? I understand that we need "the will" to implement it, but what is it exactly?
I think it would be education to start with. And I'm talking about for both races. For whites to understand that there is an issue whether we understand it or not.
For blacks to understand and teach compliance. Not all officers are there to bring them harm.
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