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Caring for an Elderly Parent at Home vs. Nursing Home

Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:19 pm
Posted by dpd901
South Louisiana
Member since Apr 2011
7510 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:19 pm
OT,

Can you give me the positives and deltas of bringing home my Dad from the hospital to continue his care there vs. placing him in a nursing home.

I understand the financial side of it... he basically would have 100 days covered before they start billing directly. Mom and Dad have a decent estate and a monthly pension.

Just for some additional background, he will be bed and wheelchair ridden, and would need home health, in home physical therapy, he’s not very lucid right now, but that’s related to the medication he’s on and the infection, and would hopefully improve over time. He didnt have Alzheimer’s or Dementia prior to his current condition.

Mom is retired, very healthy and capable of taking care of a lot of his needs. I also work from home and can work from there for the most part. Also, I have a brother that lives a couple of blocks away from their house.

The biggest challenge is that Dad is a big guy and Mom couldn’t turn him by herself to clean him up when he craps.

We’d rent a hoist and get a hospital bed with built-in rotation.

Different doctors have told us different things regarding his prognosis. End of the day, he’s likely not going to live very much longer.

We went visit 3 different homes today and they were fricking depressing, but we want to do what’s best for Dad and also Mom.

to:dr: are we crazy to think we can handle caring for Dad at home with the assistance of home health, so he can spend his remaining days comfortably at home vs. a nursing home?
This post was edited on 5/7/18 at 4:20 pm
Posted by theronswanson
House built with my hands
Member since Feb 2012
2976 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:23 pm to
What would you want if you were in his situation? I think the answer is obvious.
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38533 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:27 pm to
Learn the difference between an Independent Retirement Community, where you can hire care for your father vs. an Assisted Living Community, where care is provided to your father after an assessment is done vs. a Nursing Home.

There are options other than "an old folks home" and many actually have a thriving environment instead of the nursing home feel that is cold and smells, well like piss.

This post was edited on 5/7/18 at 4:31 pm
Posted by brian_wilson
Member since Oct 2016
3581 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:31 pm to
I had two grandparents die within a year of each other. My wife's grandmother (essentially mine too) lived the last days in her house. My grandmother was in a nursing home.

THe nursing home seemed to be a much more compassionate way to go. The home health aides they had were just terrible for my wife's grandmother. YMMV
Posted by lsuwontonwrap
Member since Aug 2012
34147 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:34 pm to
You can only do what's right for you, but watching a parent die and having to take care of them is a stress I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Don't be afraid to ask for some help, if you decide to care for him yourself.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65697 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:38 pm to

Skilled nursing or LTC? Big difference
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
20297 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:41 pm to
There's a day coming for all of the OT when these decisions have to be made. I'm not looking forward to it and I pray for you and your family.
Posted by Dave_O
Member since Apr 2018
1124 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:42 pm to
He could potentially get ~3 hours of therapy per day 5-6 days per week at a skilled nursing facility (short term nursing home, basically). At home, he would get home health, probably around an hour or so per day, 3 days per week. I obviously don't know your situation, but if there is a realistic chance he should recover from whatever he has going on, I would go the SNF route. If it's just going to be palliative care, home may be more comfortable.
This post was edited on 5/7/18 at 4:44 pm
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56249 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:45 pm to
Are you looking in Thibodaux or elsewhere?
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56249 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:46 pm to
quote:

He could potentially get ~3 hours of therapy per day 5-6 days per week at a skilled nursing facility
Are you referring to acute rehab?
Posted by tigerfan182
Franklin, Tn
Member since Sep 2009
2779 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:47 pm to
My Mom did it with my Dad for 18 months. It was what she wanted to do more than him. It was a strain on her both physically and mentally but she managed with the help of round the clock sitters. No easy answer. Good luck and prayers for your family.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65697 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:47 pm to

Agree. And, OP, SNF is $0 using Medicare for the first 20 days only. 20-100 is $187.50. After that, 100% patient responsibility. Now, if he has a Med Supp it could help. Check and see if he just has Part A and B, no supp. My advice, call a reputable agent who deals with Medicare and who knows how to do a needs analysis.
Posted by Dave_O
Member since Apr 2018
1124 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:47 pm to
Not necessarily. Mainly speaking of the RUG level system for therapy in short term skilled care.
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9454 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:48 pm to
I had to put my mother in a "Skilled Nursing Facility" for her last three months and it was pretty terrible experience. In retrospect, I should have put a pillow over her face after the first week or two.

There were so nurses and aids who seemed to genuinely care, but there were some who completely didn't give a shite. I visited for a few hours almost every day, and at different times of the day. I was as nice as I could to the staff, but I made clear that I expected my mother to be raken care of 24 hours a day, not just when I was in her room.

I don't know how old your mother is, but it's a physical and mental challenge to deal with an incapacitated patient. The fact that it's a loved one makes you willing to do it, but it also makes it more difficult in some respects. Your mom may not be able to do it. A sitter/aid at your home cost ~$300/day about 18 months ago in the Covington. area.

I'd say home is better because your father will get near constant attention, but it'll come at a psychological and financial cost.
Posted by BoredOne
North LA
Member since Mar 2012
245 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:49 pm to
This is tough spot to be in. We tried caring for my grandmother at home when she had terminal cancer. The home health (hospice) people turned out to be unreliable; they either wouldn’t show up at all or it would be hours after they were expected. Our main problem was lifting her and trying to keep her clean. I know you said your dad is a big guy, when sick people are unable to lift themselves at all it’s hard, plus you’re always worried about hurting them accidentally. We finally had to make the move to the nursing home and my mom second guessed that decision for a long time. But the care was much better than what we could’ve done at home and everyone there was a total professional. My condolences go out to you on having to make this decision, I know it’s hard.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56249 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:51 pm to
The three hour rule and RUGS generally refer to those facilities operating as acute rehab. He would have to have a qualifying diagnosis for that or LTAC.

SKilled care in a LTC typically pays all then some of care for first 100 days.

If I was looking for recovery I would definitely seek out a acute rehab unit if it is possible.

God bless the OP. None of this is easy.
Posted by Dave_O
Member since Apr 2018
1124 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:51 pm to
Roach brings up a good point. Do some research. All facilities are NOT created equal. They are great ones where staff takes pride in their jobs, and there are absolute dumps were people basically show up to collect a paycheck.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65697 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:51 pm to

Awful story. For anyone here, Medicare pays 100% Hospice. No OOP. If your Hospice isn't treating your family right, get rid of them. Find another one.
Posted by FreeState
Member since Jun 2012
3169 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:52 pm to
Very few nursing homes really give a damn about anything other than money. They'll smile, grin, pat you on the shoulder, hug you and all that, but they rarely pay any of the aids enough to survive on so they can't get good help. Not saying this is always the case but more often than not.

No doubt your dad wants to die at home. But as strong as your mom might be, the stress alone is enough; toss in her doing all everything she can for him day and night and it'll take a toll on her as well.

I feel for you and your mom, and your dad.

That said, many folks don't realize it but with my mother in law, her husband left enough for her to be cared for for several years: pension, VA, social security, and she had social security as well. With Alzheimers she was in the nursing home for about 10 years and it took every dime. When all the $ was gone, I suppose it was Medicare that kicked in. Months after she died, my wife got a bill from the state with a claim against the estate for $80,000.

Talked to several attorneys and all said the law had been on the books but never enforced until Jindal took over. Screw him anyway on other counts.

What they did not know was that the family home they put a claim against was half/owned by my wife and had been for years. They could only go after half the house. Our attorney broke the news to the state and they wanted to know why we had not told them. He told them it was not our job to tell them anything. They eventually dropped the claim but you need to beware.

Godspeed to you, especially your Mom and Dad.
Posted by purpleHAZE21
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2009
211 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:53 pm to
I have experience working in a SNF and haves recently had my grandmother pass away at home after multiple hospital stays.

Be careful of the "100 days." For a lot of insurance the first 20 days are completely covered and then days 21-100 have a large co-pay each day under skilled/ part A coverage.

Financials aside you need to sit down with your mom and family and discus what your dad would ultimately want and what burden he would want bestowed on you. I've seen it done both bringing someone home and bringing them to a home, both have parts that suck and both have parts that are ok.

From my experiences if it is at all possible to bring him home and it's my family and my decision, I would bring them home.
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