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re: BR's brightest minds discuss how to trigger a "real culture shift"
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:12 am to StrongSafety
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:12 am to StrongSafety
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Again, many of you are seemingly unhappy in a nation where the majorities culture is not of Gary's.
I could have sworn we were talking about BR?
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:13 am to StrongSafety
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It's their problem. They helped create and helped manifest it in the beginning. They should know why they wanted all this in the first place and what they need to do to fix this stuff that causes so much turmoil to their lives.
This is sad because it only says that black people can't fix it and only white people can. Not only is it not true, it's arguably quite racist.
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 10:14 am
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:14 am to SabiDojo
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That's awesome. My dad is dark brown, my brother is dark, my sister is tanned but more olive, and my other brother and myself are white. People used to think we were all children from different marriages.
Lol crazy thing is it actually for some reason gave me more cred with my friends
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:17 am to StrongSafety
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The kid that inherits a house from his family and only have to pay property taxes, or gets a $20k inheritance from his grandmother is leagues, ahead, economically, of the kid who's grandparents didn't get a chance to participate in that. That creates wide gaps...not to mention their are other things that punitively punish some people,more than others (different conviction rates, different levels of health care, different loan rates with the same credit scores.)
man I'm white and I wish that was a given just for being white
you really are dumb SS
but then again if this is what the black people think each white person gets yall are all dumb
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:19 am to StrongSafety
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Yeah it's deeper than just, "let's just forget about Yesterday."
Some people are still dealing with the effects of yesterday
I'm not sure anyone with a brain is saying forget yesterday. At some point it would be good not to always look to yesterday as a reason for failures though.
There is a lot of cultural inertia. The collapse of the family unit, glorification of violence and incarceration, drugs, welfare. High achievers are called sellouts or Uncle Toms.
I had a friend call it "crab pot syndrome". When one individual is doing well, those around him say hes forgetting where he comes from or is a sellout. If they cant get success then try to keep those around them from getting it too. Ugh.
Then you have some "community leaders" using these people for their own power/financial gain.
What do I know though? My opinion means nothing.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:20 am to Nado Jenkins83
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but then again if this is what the black people think each white person gets yall are all dumb
I'm hopeful it's less than %50 of them.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:20 am to Nado Jenkins83
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(different conviction rates, different levels of health care, different loan rates with the same credit scores.)
You're better than this and hope that you really don't believe this to be fact.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:21 am to dagrippa
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Then you have some "community leaders" using these people for their own power/financial gain.
Insert Gary Chambers. That's exactly what his real goal is.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:21 am to dagrippa
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I'm not sure anyone with a brain is saying forget yesterday. At some point it would be good not to always look to yesterday as a reason for failures though.
There is a lot of cultural inertia. The collapse of the family unit, glorification of violence and incarceration, drugs, welfare. High achievers are called sellouts or Uncle Toms.
I had a friend call it "crab pot syndrome". When one individual is doing well, those around him say hes forgetting where he comes from or is a sellout. If they cant get success then try to keep those around them from getting it too. Ugh.
Hell yeah that's what's going on.
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Then you have some "community leaders" using these people for their own power/financial gain.
Why do you think i mentioned Churches in every neighborhood in NBR when i was mentioning BREC earlier?
Glad someone caught it.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:22 am to YouAre8Up
im quoting Skrong Safely
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:40 am to Nado Jenkins83
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:47 am to StrongSafety
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The kid that inherits a house from his family and only have to pay property taxes, or gets a $20k inheritance from his grandmother is leagues, ahead, economically, of the kid who's grandparents didn't get a chance to participate in that. That creates wide gaps...not to mention their are other things that punitively punish some people,more than others (different conviction rates, different levels of health care, different loan rates with the same credit scores.)
Woah, where's my 20 grand from my grandmother? I had to work through college, and worked two jobs after I graduated just to survive.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:57 am to StrongSafety
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different loan rates with the same credit scores.)
Welcome to fantasy land. This doesn't happen. The regulations put on lending institutions prevent this and bank examiners(Federal and state) watch this shite like a hawk. Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:59 am to Jcorye1
Same for me.
And yet, neither of us use excuses. Weird
And yet, neither of us use excuses. Weird
Posted on 3/8/17 at 11:09 am to AUsteriskPride
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1. Finishing high school at the very least 2. Not having children until in a stable relationship with a career 3. Personal responsibility and respect of others
These are easy attainable guidelines that would help everybody out (White, Black, Hispanic, etc.) However with no parental figures around to push this then young people who have no direction do what they do. Bad life choices made at an early age (pregnancy, quitting education, committing criminal acts) stifle and make it damn near impossible to be on the plus side financially and professionally in life.
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 11:11 am
Posted on 3/8/17 at 1:17 pm to StrongSafety
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StrongSafety
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The kid that inherits a house from his family and only have to pay property taxes, or gets a $20k inheritance from his grandmother is leagues, ahead, economically, of the kid who's grandparents didn't get a chance to participate in that.
What I find curious about this take is the work that was done in the Lower 9th Ward after Katrina. Folks were eligible for Road Home money to completely change their lives as their homes were totally wiped out.
One of the biggest issues is that most of them lived in homes their parents, and their parents parents, all the way back to their grandparents grandparents were born, grew up, lived their entire lives, grew old and ultimately died in. Homes that were passed down through multiple generations.
Law students from Loyola, Tulane etc spent countless hours volunteering to clear chains of title to prove home ownership for these folks so they could get this life-changing, life-saving, desperately needed benefit which I admit was rightfully owed to them after such a disaster.
My curiosity comes from the fact that all of these generations were given exactly what you say puts others of a different ethnicity, "...leagues ahead," in your words ahead of them. For generations, families and people in NOLA-one of the most ethnically diverse and progressive Southern cities in America-were given exactly what you say they need that others around them get to put them ahead of others.
Yet why were those folks still in the same, depressing, generational poverty their ancestors had been?
You have a bunch of talking points but you are so shy on substance. I don't necessarily disagree with what you say, but just blathering about throwing money at every problem people in this country has is NOT the answer.
Wealthy people don't just throw their f*cking money against every single wall to see what sticks. Yet that's what you're talking about. You don't mention a dollar figure, you don't cite statistics.
Wealthy people target their investments and work incredibly hard to see it bear fruit. You just seem to advocate nebulous, ambiguous amounts of money be thrown at groups of people to, "help," them.
How will you measure the success or failure of this investment? At what point do you consider the investment a failure? How much will it take to see the investment you seek pay a return on said investment?
I don't disagree about the existence of problems, nor the need for solutions. But you better come with more than just ambiguity. You better have a much better plan if you want to sell anyone that can make rain in Baton Rouge that your solutions deserve merit and consideration.
Just my opinion...
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 3/8/17 at 1:29 pm to Jcorye1
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The kid that inherits a house from his family and only have to pay property taxes, or gets a $20k inheritance from his grandmother is leagues, ahead, economically, of the kid who's grandparents didn't get a chance to participate in that
Well frick me, I didn't know my grandparents were holding out on me.
Why the frick did I have to help pay my grandfather's funeral expenses 3 months ago then. Maw maw could have just cashed in her war bonds for the 40's for that shite.
Jesus some of the shite said on here is just ignorant.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 1:55 pm to StrongSafety
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The kid that inherits a house from his family and only have to pay property taxes, or gets a $20k inheritance from his grandmother is leagues, ahead, economically, of the kid who's grandparents didn't get a chance to participate in that. That creates wide gaps...not to mention their are other things that punitively punish some people,more than others (different conviction rates, different levels of health care, different loan rates with the same credit scores.)
You stupid frick. That's how I felt about EVERY frickING ONE OF YOU who got TOPS when it began the year after I graduated HS. I graduated HS with a 3.5 but still ended up with 25k in student loans.
You cocksuckers(class of 94+) got free rides for making motherfricking Bs your whole life.
frick you in the throat pussy.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 2:02 pm to StrongSafety
Strong Safety I do appreciate your empathy and you are right on some things, but it does come a time where people have to let their true survival instincts kick in and go forward. Yes, blacks have been treated unfairly and some whites have been able to capitalize off of it and build generational wealth. And yes, through out the history of this country it has been far easier for whites to ascend from poverty and have upward mobility than blacks. Yes, whites have caused alot of the problems you see in the black community with the failed war on drugs and the CIA pumping the drugs into the black community. Despite all of that individuals still have to make the best decisions for themselves to survive. It isn't anyone else's fault that some of these single mothers have babies by some of the most unfit guys you could imagine. They made that choice, not the rest of the country. Some of these women are just as unfit to be mothers themselves honestly. The problem is that the cycle of ignorance and lack of accountability is so hard to break because there is not enough people showing the next generation how to break it.
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