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re: Biker Shootout at the Twin Peaks in Waco, TX
Posted on 6/8/15 at 1:13 pm to GrammarKnotsi
Posted on 6/8/15 at 1:13 pm to GrammarKnotsi
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Thanks for that new link.
Why don't you cite all of it instead of ignoring what you don't like?
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Matt Clendennen, a member of the Cossacks-aligned Scimitars Motorcycle Club, was released on bond Tuesday. He said he was on the patio sipping ice water and waiting to order lunch when the parking lot fight broke out, then immediately took refuge in an interior hallway.
“I didn’t have weapons of any kind,” said Clendennen, 30, a former firefighter who owns a landscaping business in Hewitt. “The only thing I had was a miniature pocketknife. I’m a business person, a hardworking person, a family man. If I thought there was potential for violence with any organization, I would not be part of it. Why would I? Why put my family in danger?”
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Clendennen said he was on the patio but wasn’t expecting any kind of trouble.
Clendennen said he joined the club a year ago because he wanted an organized group to ride with and found he got along well with the small local group of guys.
“We’re all hardworking men who enjoy riding motorcycles and giving back to the community,” he said.
Clendennen also has been friends with several local Cossacks, including Danny “Diesel” Boyett, a mechanic killed in the melee.
“He was an incredible person, one of the most caring, giving people I’ve met,” he said.
biker stories ra1
Hewitt business owner and Scimitars member Matt Clendennen said he was unaware that he was headed into a violent situation at Twin Peaks restaurant. Staff photo— Rod Aydelotte
Clendennen said he didn’t know about any kind of violent feud going on between the Cossacks and Bandidos, though he knew there was some rivalry. He said he got a message from his motorcycle buddies a few days before that they would be meeting up at Twin Peaks and listening to a presentation on motorcycle legislation.
He said he had been to COC&I meetings before and thought they were public meetings, so Cossacks and Scimitars didn’t need to be invited.
Clendennen said that after the fighting started, he wasted little time taking cover inside.
“The was a verbal altercation, and I heard the first gunshot maybe a minute or two after that started,” he said. “It was a shock moment. You just freeze in place for a split second.”
He said he ducked inside and waited in a hallway leading to the bathroom, then fired off a text to his family to tell them he was OK. Soon, two police officers came in with rifles and made everybody get down on the floor. They escorted out a man from the bathroom who was bleeding from a wound, he said.
The police put Clendennen in zipties and took him with a couple hundred others to the Waco Convention Center for questioning. He said he assumed he was just a witness, and when an officer interviewed him, he got the impression he would be released soon.
‘Total shock’
He said he got worried when he was sent to the McLennan County Jail on State Highway 6, and was astounded when the group he was in was informed of their bond amounts.
“It was total shock,” he said. “My jaw dropped. Like, $1 million, are you serious? What could I have possible done to deserve a $1 million bond?”
Clendennen’s attorney, Clint Broden of Dallas, has filed a civil lawsuit against the city of Waco and McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna, claiming unlawful arrest and detention. Clendennen said the incident has prompted his ex-wife to file a temporary restraining order that has kept him from seeing two of his children and explaining what happened.
Meanwhile, he’s trying to catch up on a busy landscaping season with his business and worried that the arrest will cost him future business, though no customers have yet canceled on him.
And he says he is still trying to answer the questions of his 4-year-old who he has with his current wife.
“I’m still trying to get him over the idea that I went to jail,” he said. “He thinks you go to jail when you hurt somebody.”
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Posted on 6/8/15 at 1:20 pm to Darth_Vader
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they felt the need to shoot indiscriminately into a crowd
If your boys wouldn't have been hiding in vehicles, or with "innocent bystanders" it would have been easier to distinguish the villains here...
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had nothing to do with any of it.
Do you know why they question everyone, when a bank is robbed...Who knows who the real bad guy is, until everyone has been questioned..
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no better reason that you don't like bikers.
You know that is only half of my issue
Posted on 6/8/15 at 1:29 pm to GrammarKnotsi
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If your boys wouldn't have been hiding in vehicles, or with "innocent bystanders" it would have been easier to distinguish the villains here...
More pure bullshite that you just pull out of your arse. Where's there been any reports of people "hiding in vehicles"?
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Do you know why they question everyone, when a bank is robbed...Who knows who the real bad guy is, until everyone has been questioned..
There's a huge difference in questioning everyone at a scene and rounding up everyone at a scene and hitting them with serious felony charges, seizing their personal property, and placing outlandish bail on their heads... not to mention holding them in jail for over three weeks now. They've had ample to time to discern who the "real bad guys" are in this instance.
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You know that is only half of my issue
The only other half I could think of is your doing this for no better reason than to be an a-hole. So one the one hand you don't like bikers but you do like being a complete dick.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 1:30 pm to Darth_Vader
This is great
Posted on 6/8/15 at 1:36 pm to Darth_Vader
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Where's there been any reports of people "hiding in vehicles"?
You linked that:
(1) weapons were found in vehicles
(2) a man was killed in/near a vehicle
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holding them in jail for over three weeks now
It is amazing how many businesses have not suffered without all these fine employees...
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So one the one hand you don't like bikers but you do like being a complete dick.
I am just showing you the real world...While you think this is all "unjust and unfair", I see it as "bad situations, usually end poorly"
Posted on 6/8/15 at 1:50 pm to GrammarKnotsi
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You linked that:
(1) weapons were found in vehicles
(2) a man was killed in/near a vehicle
I also linked where that man was unarmed and killed as he was just arriving and was getting out of his vehicle. Yet you change it to first he was "going for a weapon" to now you're claiming he was "hiding". It's like you're just flinging whatever stupid shite you can against the wall and hope it sticks.
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It is amazing how many businesses have not suffered without all these fine employees...
What does that have to do with any guilt or innocence of anyone? But OK, just to refute another bullshite point of yours.
That's a picture of one of the guys killed in Waco. Guy was an electrician and had no criminal record. He was also unarmed when he was gunned down. I'll bet his wife and kids would tell you to go frick yourself right about now. In fact to them, I'm sure you'd look like the lowest piece of shitty trash possible.
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I am just showing you the real world...While you think this is all "unjust and unfair", I see it as "bad situations, usually end poorly"
This is supposed to be a country of laws, not men. People should not receive special treatment because of who they are, be that special treatment good or bad. One of the cornerstones of our republic is equal protection under the law, That concept has been turned on it's head in Waco and you're not only defending it, you're happy to do so. Do you not purport to be a conservative supporter of the Constitution? Or does that only apply to people you like?
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 6/8/15 at 1:54 pm to Darth_Vader
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that man was unarmed and killed as he was just arriving and was getting out of his vehicle.
Likely there for biker backup...
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you're just flinging whatever stupid shite you can against the wall and hope it sticks.
You're making the exact opposite argument, you just don't see it
You have to see that if you put yourself in a shitty situation, you should expect shitty results
Posted on 6/8/15 at 2:00 pm to GrammarKnotsi
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Likely there for biker backup...
Anything to back up your claim? Or is this more speculative horseshite on your part? I'll call bullshite on your part since it's reported he's (1) not a member of any club and (2) was unarmed when he was shot and killed.
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You're making the exact opposite argument, you just don't see it
You have to see that if you put yourself in a shitty situation, you should expect shitty results
Every argument I've made has been backed up with links. As for "putting yourself in a shitty situation", this was a fricking monthly COC meeting. These meetings literally take place all across the nation all the time and have for decades with not the first issue like this ever happening before. To the rank and file regular COC members, there was nothing to indicate this would be anything more than just like all the COC meetings they'd attended for years before that fateful meeting in Waco.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 2:06 pm to Darth_Vader
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Anything to back up your claim?
What was he doing there...
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a fricking monthly COC meeting
A shitty situation
Posted on 6/8/15 at 2:13 pm to GrammarKnotsi
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What was he doing there...
Attending a COC meeting.
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A shitty situation
Not even close to factual. I explained to you that across the US virtually every weekend in one state or another, there's a COC meeting or event going on. And this has been true for literally decades. These have always peaceful events with no violence. The fact that you've been informed of this and still hold that it's a "shitty situation" only shows you're completely biased and uninterested in anything to do with the truth or an open and honest dialog on this matter. I'm sorry for whatever biker victimized you in whatever way in the past to turn you against all of us.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 2:15 pm to Darth_Vader
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Attending a COC meeting.
Why would he be doing that, if he weren't a member of any clubs
Posted on 6/8/15 at 2:26 pm to GrammarKnotsi
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Why would he be doing that, if he weren't a member of any clubs
From the Texas COC website....
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Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents
News for biker's rights and freedom, on and off the road!
The Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents news site delivers informative updates on State and Local issues, events, Legislation and happenings in the biker community. This is biker information written by us for us. We pride ourselves in the daily contribution to individual and community well being. We believe that by sharing common values we can increase the opportunity of each individual in the community.
Our goal is to make a difference in your life and those around you. Don't just stand on the sideline; get engaged in your motorcycle community!
LINK
Posted on 6/8/15 at 2:37 pm to Darth_Vader
Can u quite the Waco trib link to the news? I couldn't get the link to open. Thanks.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 2:42 pm to BigSECfan
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Can u quite the Waco trib link to the news? I couldn't get the link to open. Thanks.
Here you go.... (I have to cut it in half due to size)
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Released bikers give clashing accounts of Twin Peaks shootout
Posted: Saturday, June 6, 2015 6:01 pm
By J.B. SMITH jbsmith@wacotrib.com
As more bikers are released from McLennan County Jail, the accounts of what led up to the deadly shootout at Twin Peaks come into sharper conflict with each other.
Police and prosecutors have painted the May 17 shooting as a clash of rival “gangs” — primarily the Bandidos and Cossacks motorcycle clubs — that were armed and prepared to settle scores in a public place.
Waco police have said more than 300 weapons found at the scene show there was “criminal intent” among the 177 who were jailed in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.
“(It) indicates to the public that these are not clubs, these are criminal gangs that came here with the intent or anticipation of violence,” Waco police Sgt. Patrick Swanton said in the week after the shooting.
Bikers and their attorneys give different accounts of the cause of the conflict, depending on their sympathies toward one group or another.
But the bikers on both sides say they were shocked by the eruption of violence and tried to get out of the way, only to be arrested as co-conspirators.
Matt Clendennen, a member of the Cossacks-aligned Scimitars Motorcycle Club, was released on bond Tuesday. He said he was on the patio sipping ice water and waiting to order lunch when the parking lot fight broke out, then immediately took refuge in an interior hallway.
“I didn’t have weapons of any kind,” said Clendennen, 30, a former firefighter who owns a landscaping business in Hewitt. “The only thing I had was a miniature pocketknife. I’m a business person, a hardworking person, a family man. If I thought there was potential for violence with any organization, I would not be part of it. Why would I? Why put my family in danger?”
Likewise, attorneys for Sandra “Drama” Lynch and her husband, Mike Lynch, of Mart, said the two were unarmed and unprepared for the conflict.
Sandra Lynch had arrived before 11:30 a.m. to set up for a 1 p.m. regional meeting of the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents, a bikers’ rights coalition for which she is an officer. The group is headed by a Bandido, and Cossacks are not members.
Sandra and Mike Lynch
Mike and Sandra Lynch, officials in the Los Pirados Motorcycle Club, were released on bond this week in the Twin Peaks shooting. Facebook photo
Sandra Lynch was surprised when she saw a large group of Cossacks arriving around 11:30 a.m., said her attorney, Gary Smart of Arlington.
“When the Cossacks got there, her heart just sunk,” he said. “She just knew there was going to be trouble. (Cossacks) had been causing trouble around Waco for a while.”
At 11:33 a.m., she texted a friend from the biker confederation that a Cossack had just run into her in the parking lot. At that point, about 50 Cossacks had arrived, according to Lynch’s text.
“They were making derogatory comments and saying, ‘Get out of our way, we’re Cossacks,’ ” Smart said.
Police have said the altercation started when someone’s foot was run over, but Smart said Lynch had nothing to do with the fight, which started an hour after she was allegedly hit.
“She didn’t yell and scream,” he said. “She’s not going to start an altercation. It’s not in her nature.”
Lynch was still in the parking lot directing traffic when the fight broke out, Smart said.
“She started to take off running,” he said. “She made it a short distance and then hit the ground. Bullets were whizzing over her head.”
The Tribune-Herald has not been able to contact Cossacks or Bandidos officials.
Members of other local motorcycle clubs and groups that came for the COC&I meeting — such as Sons of the South, Boozefighters and American Legion Riders — corroborated the story that the meeting was meant to be a peaceful discussion of bikers’ legislative priorities.
Several of those confederation members say the Cossacks and allied Scimitars were attempting to crash their gathering and cause trouble for the Bandidos. The two groups have had violent clashes over the last six months, and a Texas law enforcement report in March suggested the groups might be beginning a war.
But a man identified as a top-ranking North Texas Cossack told a different story in a Washington Post article May 23. He said a leader of the Bandidos from Longview had contacted Owen Reeves, a Cossack from Bruceville-Eddy, and invited the Cossacks to powwow at Twin Peaks that Sunday about 11 a.m.
Anonymous source
The source told the Post that 100 Bandidos pulled up around 12:15 p.m., and a Bandido started a fight by running into a Cossack.
“It was a set-up from start to finish,” the otherwise anonymous Cossack told the Post.
But Sandra Lynch, the COC&I organizer who made the reservation for the meeting on Twin Peaks patio, heard nothing about the prospect of truce talks or a rumble, her attorney said.
“She was not aware of any gathering to create peace,” Smart said. “They had an agenda they were there to talk about. There was not going to be a truce or anything like that.”
He added that only about a dozen Bandidos were actually at Twin Peaks, which undermines the idea of a planned truce or fight between the rival motorcycle clubs.
Court documents show that Lynch had in her possession a beer koozie with the abbreviation for “Support Your Local Bandidos” and a vest patch reading “Support the Fat Mexican,” a Bandidos nickname. However, her attorney said that type of patch, in the shape of a Harley-Davidson logo, is a fan patch, not a sign of actual affiliation. He said the Lynches’ nine-member club, Los Pirados, is not a support club for any other group.
Stephen “Bowtie” Stubbs, a Las Vegas attorney who has represented motorcycle clubs including the Bandidos, said the idea that the Bandidos were offering a truce was “baloney,” as is the idea that they planned to war with the Cossacks on May 17.
Hang on and I'll post the rest of the article....
Posted on 6/8/15 at 2:42 pm to Darth_Vader
Here is the rest of it....
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‘Against every protocol’
“That is not what happened,” he said. “It would go against every protocol. I’ve been part of this world for years and part of negotiations over conflicts. . . . It would not have happened at a COC meeting. COC meetings are neutral ground where nothing is supposed to happen. . . . If they were expecting Armageddon, it would not be at Twin Peaks. It would be somewhere less public with no cameras around.”
Stubbs said talks between feuding groups would take place among top-level club leaders with hundreds of club members waiting some distance away. Such talks could take many hours, he said.
Stubbs said he has been in contact with various Texas motorcycle club leaders who were at the scene, and he said 16 Bandidos were at Twin Peaks, including one who was killed and 15 who went to jail. He claims that the violence started when a group of about 50 Cossacks surrounded a group of about seven Bandidos in the parking lot.
McLennan County prosecutors said this week at a hearing that video from the scene clearly shows “Bandidos executing Cossacks and Cossacks executing Bandidos, some at point-blank range” and that Cossacks stationed on the patio jumped over the railings to join the fray.
Clendennen said he was on the patio but wasn’t expecting any kind of trouble.
Clendennen said he joined the club a year ago because he wanted an organized group to ride with and found he got along well with the small local group of guys.
“We’re all hardworking men who enjoy riding motorcycles and giving back to the community,” he said.
Clendennen also has been friends with several local Cossacks, including Danny “Diesel” Boyett, a mechanic killed in the melee.
“He was an incredible person, one of the most caring, giving people I’ve met,” he said.
biker stories ra1
Hewitt business owner and Scimitars member Matt Clendennen said he was unaware that he was headed into a violent situation at Twin Peaks restaurant. Staff photo— Rod Aydelotte
Clendennen said he didn’t know about any kind of violent feud going on between the Cossacks and Bandidos, though he knew there was some rivalry. He said he got a message from his motorcycle buddies a few days before that they would be meeting up at Twin Peaks and listening to a presentation on motorcycle legislation.
He said he had been to COC&I meetings before and thought they were public meetings, so Cossacks and Scimitars didn’t need to be invited.
Clendennen said that after the fighting started, he wasted little time taking cover inside.
“The was a verbal altercation, and I heard the first gunshot maybe a minute or two after that started,” he said. “It was a shock moment. You just freeze in place for a split second.”
He said he ducked inside and waited in a hallway leading to the bathroom, then fired off a text to his family to tell them he was OK. Soon, two police officers came in with rifles and made everybody get down on the floor. They escorted out a man from the bathroom who was bleeding from a wound, he said.
The police put Clendennen in zipties and took him with a couple hundred others to the Waco Convention Center for questioning. He said he assumed he was just a witness, and when an officer interviewed him, he got the impression he would be released soon.
‘Total shock’
He said he got worried when he was sent to the McLennan County Jail on State Highway 6, and was astounded when the group he was in was informed of their bond amounts.
“It was total shock,” he said. “My jaw dropped. Like, $1 million, are you serious? What could I have possible done to deserve a $1 million bond?”
Clendennen’s attorney, Clint Broden of Dallas, has filed a civil lawsuit against the city of Waco and McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna, claiming unlawful arrest and detention. Clendennen said the incident has prompted his ex-wife to file a temporary restraining order that has kept him from seeing two of his children and explaining what happened.
Meanwhile, he’s trying to catch up on a busy landscaping season with his business and worried that the arrest will cost him future business, though no customers have yet canceled on him.
And he says he is still trying to answer the questions of his 4-year-old who he has with his current wife.
“I’m still trying to get him over the idea that I went to jail,” he said. “He thinks you go to jail when you hurt somebody.”
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:17 pm to GrammarKnotsi
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a fricking monthly COC meeting
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A shitty situation.
Any body with half a brain would stay away from this shitty situation in the future. If they get caught up in the same shite at the next meeting it's on their dumbasses for being there.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:24 pm to dreww221
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Any body with half a brain would stay away from this shitty situation in the future.
You do realize these meetings take place literally across the nation in different states virtually weekly and have for decades with zero problems, right?
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If they get caught up in the same shite at the next meeting it's on their dumbasses for being there.
Well, just this past weekend about 1,000 bikers gathered peacefully in Waco.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 4:54 pm to Pettifogger
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My point, however, is that simply because you weren't involved in a distinct criminal act during the melee in question doesn't mean charges are unjustified.
I think, in the United States, that's exactly what it means.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 6:27 pm to Darth_Vader
Stands on tippy toes in family photos to appear taller.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:38 am to Gorilla Fingers
so i know someone that was somewhere listening to a crazy person on the phone and said "its going to be bad when everyone finds out these were law enforcement bullets"... was this already known? I haven't read one page of this thread.
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