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Autism among the Amish people
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:59 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:59 am
In 2005, 1 out of 166 children were diagnosed with Autism in the USA
In 2007, 1 out of 150 children were diagnosed with Autism in the USA.
In 2009, 1 out of 91 children were diagnosed with Autism in the USA.
In 2015, 1 out of 68 children were diagnosed with Autism in the USA.
The number seems to be increasing very rapidly here.
When testing the Amish (in the study below from 2010), the rate with them was 1 out of 271. I looked for more recent studies but this was the latest I could find because the Google machine assumes I am anti-vax, I guess…
LINK
My genuine question is: What is it about our modern lifestyle that is causing the rates of autism to increase so rapidly? Why isn’t this studied further against control groups in different cultures? It seems like a pretty important question.
In 2007, 1 out of 150 children were diagnosed with Autism in the USA.
In 2009, 1 out of 91 children were diagnosed with Autism in the USA.
In 2015, 1 out of 68 children were diagnosed with Autism in the USA.
The number seems to be increasing very rapidly here.
When testing the Amish (in the study below from 2010), the rate with them was 1 out of 271. I looked for more recent studies but this was the latest I could find because the Google machine assumes I am anti-vax, I guess…
LINK
My genuine question is: What is it about our modern lifestyle that is causing the rates of autism to increase so rapidly? Why isn’t this studied further against control groups in different cultures? It seems like a pretty important question.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 11:01 am
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:00 am to theunknownknight
Now do rickets cases among the Amish people
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:01 am to theunknownknight
IMO, It’s not the modern lifestyle, (diet, vaccines)it’s the definition that’s changing. You see the same thing for dyslexia, depression, anxiety, adhd, etc. More awareness sometimes equals more diagnoses.
Ok so, the question is if they are using the same criteria for both, why aren’t both of the groups rates going up? The answer is likely in the link.
If they aren’t subject to being diagnosed as much, they won’t be.
My 2 cents on autism and a host of other things that they are likely more diagnosed because now we are “looking” for it. You see disimilar rates in anxiety, ADHD, etc. if you compare the US to other countries.
Ok so, the question is if they are using the same criteria for both, why aren’t both of the groups rates going up? The answer is likely in the link.
quote:
Preliminary data have identified the presence of ASD in the Amish community at a rate of approximately 1 in 271 children using standard ASD screening and diagnostic tools although some modifications may be in order. Further studies are underway to address the cultural norms and customs that may be playing a role in the reporting style of caregivers, as observed by the ADI.
If they aren’t subject to being diagnosed as much, they won’t be.
My 2 cents on autism and a host of other things that they are likely more diagnosed because now we are “looking” for it. You see disimilar rates in anxiety, ADHD, etc. if you compare the US to other countries.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 11:31 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:03 am to theunknownknight
Vaccines could play a role... especially the accelerated schedule in which we give vaccines to kids. Some vaccines are pretty irrelevant depending on age and gender as well. Vaccines are good, don't get me wrong, but from what I've read, we are possibly over vaccinating ourselves and vaccines do carry the risk of autism.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:03 am to alajones
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It’s not the modern lifestyle, it’s the definition that’s changing. You see the same thing for dyslexia, depression, etc. More awareness sometimes equals more diagnoses.
They used the same definition against the Amish and in 2010, you were three times more likely to be autistic if not Amish.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:04 am to theunknownknight
quote:
My genuine question is: What is it about our modern lifestyle that is causing the rates of autism to increase so rapidly? Why isn’t this studied further against control groups in different cultures? It seems like a pretty important question.
Well, if it is the Amish, we know it isn't vaccinations causing it.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:04 am to theunknownknight
My buddy has 2 kids with autism. They seem like completely normal healthy kids every time Ive been around them. Look you in the eye and talk to you.
So Im not sure what the diagnostic criteria is for it in 2023
So Im not sure what the diagnostic criteria is for it in 2023
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:05 am to theunknownknight
At 4:30 in the mornin' I'm milkin' cows
Jebediah feeds the chickens and Jacob plows, fool
And I've been milkin' and plowin' so long that
Even Ezekiel thinks that my mind is gone
Jebediah feeds the chickens and Jacob plows, fool
And I've been milkin' and plowin' so long that
Even Ezekiel thinks that my mind is gone
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:06 am to Cosmo
I’ve heard pesticides were a possible cause - those could seep into Amish communities via the water
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:06 am to bad93ex
rickets is rare accross the US. i dont see anything about amish people getting rickets.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:07 am to theunknownknight
I visited an Amish community in TN recently and at least 3/4 of the people I spoke to would be considered to be on the spectrum if they were part of normal society.
Cool folks, though. Those buggy builders do awesome work.
Cool folks, though. Those buggy builders do awesome work.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:07 am to theunknownknight
It is our food system. The food we eat is altered with chemicals every step of the way from growth, processing, storage, and preparation. You could potentially argue a few other factors but this is the most likely to deliver something en masse.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:08 am to theunknownknight
quote:I may be making assumptions, but are the Amish in a situation where they may be diagnosed as often or seen as often as other segments of the population?
They used the same definition against the Amish and in 2010, you were three times more likely to be autistic if not Amish.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:08 am to alajones
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It’s not the modern lifestyle, it’s the definition that’s changing. You see the same thing for dyslexia, depression, anxiety, adhd, etc. More awareness sometimes equals more diagnoses.
How does this account for a large discrepancy in rates among populations using the same definition????
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:09 am to Pezzo
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rickets is rare accross the US. i dont see anything about amish people getting rickets.
Worked alongside a lot of amish when I was a farmhand and it is very common.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:09 am to alajones
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I may be making assumptions, but are the Amish in a situation where they may be diagnosed as often or seen as often as other segments of the population?
The link was a study comparing Amish vs the general population at the same time using the same criteria. That’s why I brought this thread up.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:11 am to theunknownknight
A lot of adults doctor shop their kids for a diagnosis. I'm going to go out on a small limb and say the Amish probably don't.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:15 am to Nelson Biederman IV
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It is our food system. The food we eat is altered with chemicals every step of the way from growth, processing, storage, and preparation. You could potentially argue a few other factors but this is the most likely to deliver something en masse.
so just to be clear...its your contention that the Amish, who grow and process their own food the same way they have for decades are seeing an increase in autism from chemicals in the modern food system?
just wanted to be clear here.....
if you answer yes....you may want to go get tested for autism.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:16 am to theunknownknight
From the link
This kind of goes along with what I believe the case may be, but like I said “I may be making assumptions”.
quote:
Preliminary data have identified the presence of ASD in the Amish community at a rate of approximately 1 in 271 children using standard ASD screening and diagnostic tools although some modifications may be in order. Further studies are underway to address the cultural norms and customs that may be playing a role in the reporting style of caregivers, as observed by the ADI.
This kind of goes along with what I believe the case may be, but like I said “I may be making assumptions”.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 11:18 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:17 am to theunknownknight
I know of two brothers who both have it. So that does nothing to figure out if it’s genetic or environmental.
I personally think it’s toxins in our environment and a genetic predisposition.
I personally think it’s toxins in our environment and a genetic predisposition.
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