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re: Astronauts survived Challenger until they hit the water
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:07 am to PepaSpray
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:07 am to PepaSpray
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while true, the pilot kept it steady until impact in the hope of a crash landing. Aerodynamics suggest it would have been spinning out of control due to wind shear, however he was able to manipulate flaps etc. Until impact.
Uh... pretty sure the crew compartment was no longer attached to the rest of the shuttle after the explosion. (Was broken apart by g-forces, not the actual explosion.)
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:07 am to Ace Midnight
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What's worse? Being on the flight deck and seeing it or being on the mid-deck, in the dark with no way to communicate for almost 3 minutes?
Whoa.... I just can't imagine either one... At one time I wanted to go into space. But after that.. I said No way..... I gives me the creeps just thinking about how fast they were going when they hit the water.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:14 am to dukke v
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Whoa.... I just can't imagine either one... At one time I wanted to go into space. But after that.. I said No way..... I gives me the creeps just thinking about how fast they were going when they hit the water.
I'm sure "the DONG" has exploded many o-rings here on Earth so you should have known they were prone to failure long before the Challenger.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:20 am to Backinthe615
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I want believe the crew wasn't conscious for the fall,
Make no mistake - I strongly believe that Resnik was alert enough to work her checklist, including activating Smith and Scobee's PEAPs (something we know happened and had to be done, manually, by someone other than Smith or Scobee) and Smith and/or Scobee moved switches from their expected launch/ascent positions (a number of these were tension lever activated and could not have been adjusted by the separation and crash). So, at least for a few moments, the flight deck had a rough idea there had been some failure in the spacecraft. And did what they could about it.
I'm just grappling with the notion they were conscious all the way to the water. They experienced g forces that were easily survivable at altitude (maybe 3 - 4 Gs) and would not even have been expected to severely disorient the experienced pilots. However, with no pressurization - I just don't see it. They would have been alive and breathing, but I don't think they were conscious at peak altitude of 60k feet. I've never seen any evidence of that. I would need such evidence as the hypothesis goes against medical science and what we know about the orbiter.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:22 am to LSUBoo
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Uh... pretty sure the crew compartment was no longer attached to the rest of the shuttle after the explosion.
It wasn't instant, but a SRB tore off 1 wing really early in the accident (while still going up) - and g forces ripped the other wing apart shortly after that. There were no "flaps" or anything to manipulate. I don't think there was any way to even stabilize it in a roll. On the other hand, I don't think it tumbled enough - by itself - to induce unconsciousness, but the lack of pressurization almost certainly did - and during the ascent.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:27 am to DavidTheGnome
During the recovery of shuttle debris, Nasa found out what kind of shampoo the challenger crew used. They found their head and shoulders......
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:41 am to Kracka
The people in here don't like jokes apparently, even though it's 30 years later. My joke on the last page was tame and it has all downvotes.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:43 am to DavidTheGnome
....just STAHP.
1986
This was so long ago it's East Germans.
We'll never know and it doesn't matter.
1986
This was so long ago it's East Germans.
We'll never know and it doesn't matter.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:46 am to lsu480
I love them.I bet those astronauts had a blast though.
I heard the Columbia Crew were into streaking.
I heard the Columbia Crew were into streaking.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:54 am to Ace Midnight
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There were no "flaps" or anything to manipulate. I don't think there was any way to even stabilize it in a roll. On the other hand, I don't think it tumbled enough - by itself - to induce unconsciousness, but the lack of pressurization almost certainly did - and during the ascent.
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Well if you watch the many Youtube video's on this, once the shuttle broke apart from aerodynamics, there was nothing left to it. You can see in the video the wind and the crew compartment coming out of the plum and traveling downward. It's a really really interesting video, they even show all the recovered debris and you can see all the thermal destruction from the SRB's and such.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:58 am to YNWA
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NASA knew it but we're powerless to stop it.
No they weren't, they sat back when Houston call to confirm. Marshall & Kennedy knew the problems and the data to back it up but the pressure to launch made them sit on their hands.
This post was edited on 2/26/16 at 11:01 am
Posted on 2/26/16 at 11:07 am to Ace Midnight
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It wasn't instant, but a SRB tore off 1 wing really early in the accident (while still going up) - and g forces ripped the other wing apart shortly after that. There were no "flaps" or anything to manipulate. I don't think there was any way to even stabilize it in a roll. On the other hand, I don't think it tumbled enough - by itself - to induce unconsciousness, but the lack of pressurization almost certainly did - and during the ascent.
While this is what happened, the crew had no way of knowing exactly what the damage to the spacecraft was and kept trying to regain control until they lost consciousness or impacted the water.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 11:10 am to Breesus
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And they say now, in Paris, France, as we speak, Louis Pasteur has devised a new vaccine that will obliterate anthrax once and for all!
Okay...I have decided what movie I am watching tonight.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 11:12 am to EA6B
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While this is what happened, the crew had no way of knowing exactly what the damage to the spacecraft was and kept trying to regain control until they lost consciousness or impacted the water.
I want nothing in my posts in this thread to be misconstrued - however long they were able to fight (and I think it was probably 10 to 15 seconds - maybe 30) - the futile heroism (or heroic futility, however one chooses to define it) is a credit to the flight crew and the space program.
I just hope that it was as brief as possible.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 2:47 pm to YNWA
quote:I don't believe this for a second.
Another tidbit. They knew the O rings had to be at a certain temperature for liftoff or they had to abort. It was too cold to launch that morning but Reagan had a televised address to the American public that night and the powers that be forced them to launch that morning. It was doomed from the start and alot of people at NASA knew it but we're powerless to stop it.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 3:13 pm to Ace Midnight
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On the other hand, I don't think it tumbled enough - by itself - to induce unconsciousness, but the lack of pressurization almost certainly did - and during the ascent.
I believe this as well. What nobody ever talks about is that they had to come back down, meaning if the cabin depressurized, it had to repressurize.
I often wonder if they passed out after the breakup only to wake up in the thicker air on the way back down and be fully aware at the very end. I hope that they were depressurized long enough that they couldn't regain consciousness even after repressurization, but we just will never know.
This post was edited on 2/26/16 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 2/26/16 at 3:33 pm to soccerfüt
Were you alive back then???? Did you watch it live like I did????? If no to both questions go screw yourself. It was a tragic day in American history.
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