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Article perfectly illustrates how masculine traits are being attacked

Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:06 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:06 am
Everday Feminism - 5 Common Behaviors Cis Men May Not Realize Are Abusive (And How to Stop Them)

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My actions exist in the context of how I was taught to be a man. My actions exist in the context of patriarchy. And patriarchy is violent. Full stop.

Simply put, patriarchy is a system of domination and control that privileges cisgender men at the expense of everyone else (though notably to varying degrees and in different ways, since the benefits of patriarchy exist at intersections of other forms of domination and oppression).


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Considering that cisgender men like myself are socialized in the context of the violence of patriarchy, we need to own the fact that cis-masculinity is fundamentally oppressive and violent.


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And here’s what cisgender men such as myself need to consider: if patriarchy is fundamentally violent and oppressive, then we have a responsibility to consider the ways that we might be complicit in that violence – simply by living out the patterns of how we were taught to be men.


1. Emotional Manipulation: the article effectively argues that anytime a hetero cis-male attempts any mating or relationship strategy, it's "emotional manipulation". effectively removing any agency from men and making them a purely passive actor

2. Being Dominant, Aggressive, or Intimidating: toughness is bad. aggression is bad. being dominant in any way is bad. displaying emotions such as anger are bad. effectively, this argument attempts to neuter the emotional communication of men. since the underlyig assumption is that all men are taught toxic emotional expression, it makes men subservient to women in terms of all emotional expression. this make them completely subservient to the emotional demands, expectations, and communication of their female partners and removes any emotional agency from the man

3. Refusing to Listen: this is basically a "consent" argument that effectively repeats #2 but in a specific context. yes, consent is very important but this argument effectively removes playful interactions from relationships, or, more specifically, allows only one party not to consent (putting the burden on men to receive this behavior from women, again, removing agency).

4. Being Controlling: this is a near-repeat of the "aggression" commentary. Being assertive is bad because it's "controlling" your partner. Effectively, this is telling men that they should stop having active desires or expectations in their relationship and they should effectively be controlled by their partner. Lord help them if they ever actually want a decision on what to get for dinner.

5. Acting on Jealousy: i think the author either ran out of ideas and had already repeated things twice and just threw in an oddball argument. either that or he felt guilt, i mean just read this:

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I got this message in such a messed up way that I remember seeing the movie Fear about a violent stalker in middle school, and I couldn’t help but think about how cool the murderous Mark Wahlberg character was.


i think pretty much all men who display traditional male traits agree that acting on jealousy is bad. hell i don't even think many feminist women would disagree that cis-women are much more prone to this behavior. now they will explain it is because of the toxic presentation of relationships in the patriarchy and fine, but the point still stands.

here are the solutions:

1. Eliminate Violent and Oppressive Language: of course, language. the first tool of the progressive world view is the deconstruction of language. many/most of you probably missed the insidious way this occurred earlier to create this entire argument: how they define violence. this article claims to speak about abuse and then uses "violence" so we assume that this means physical violence. we're legitimately primed to see things in this way. however, the article devolves into saying disagreeing with your partner and showing her why you're right is violence (it violates 3 and 4). this specific plan is another insidious bait and switch. yes, removing clearly toxic language would help, but this entire article displays how they want to destroy all sorts of regular language in order to expand their control.

you know how leftist-progressive types always talk about the creation of the "other" in our minds? and how that dehumanizes the "other" to where atrocities can be committed against them? that isn't an incorrect view of the world, it's just one-sided and/or hypocritical here. these people use language to create labels for "others" so that they are no longer people and have no agency to respond. hence why they warp common language like "violent"

2. Take Time to Reflect On Our Emotions and How We Can Express Them in Healthier Ways: remove logic. promote emotions. now there are certain symbolic icons of masculinity who are clearly emotionally crippled, however this is more than that. women communicate through their emotions. they relieve stress by communicating. their brains are geared more towards social interactions and empathy. by promoting the "female" perspective as normal, it makes all those who see/analyze the world differently "toxic". not only is this very dangerous for people with personalities similar to mine (INTJ), but it's actually quite ableist because many disabilities inhibit emotional understanding (like autism).

3. Learn to Listen Openly and with Empathy: like with many of these arguments, it sounds fine on its surface but the application is terrible. why? this is a one-way street. those who are "toxic" and or "violent" must learn to listen to and empathize with others. however, those others need not empathize with a "toxic" or "violent" person, and any justification for their worldview should be ignored/censored. empathy can be great, but it has to be available to all.

4. Cultivate Relationships with Other Men that Challenge Normative Masculinity: take this poison and spread it among the cult, effectively. this is the Jim Jones argument of spreading ideology. hell it's not even hiding this: "As cisgender men who know that we need to be different".

and i will just leave this here for those who don't want to be called violent misogynists:

Feminists Think Sexist Men Are Sexier than "Woke" Men

Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:08 am to
What in the ever living frick do the first 3 quotes you have listed actually say? I don’t think of myself as being all that dumb, and usually reading comprehension on my part is passable, but what the hell is he actually saying?

It’s like the author just vomited buzz words and thought, yup that’s a sentence
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:11 am to
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:14 am to
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It’s like the author just vomited buzz words and thought, yup that’s a sentence

I'm sure SFP can dig up some really good titles to "social studies" done by some of these whack jobs. Most if them make no sense at all.
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:16 am to
Que es "CIS"??
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:16 am to
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It’s like the author just vomited buzz words and thought, yup that’s a sentence

That is how social sciences work.

They vomit words onto a sheet and then have verbal seizures while mentally masturbating to their intelligence.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37559 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:18 am to
I don’t get why people refuse to accept men and women are different. It’s just maddening.

Men and women express emotions in different ways and both men and women need to understand that. There is nothing wrong with this. I’m just sick and tired of hearing the only people who need to hanged their understanding and change who they are are straight men. It’s such bullshite.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 8:20 am
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:18 am to
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Emotional Manipulation
This is a female trait.
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Being Dominant, Aggressive, or Intimidating
Male trait.
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Refusing to Listen:
Female.
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Being Controlling
Male.
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Acting on Jealousy:
Human trait not specific to any gender.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30593 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:19 am to
Social sciences are the science of surveys. They use surveys for everything, and hold them as the highest standard. If a survey says it, it must be true, according to “social scientists”, aka unmarried 45 year old women with more than 2 cats
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:21 am to
They know that strong men, natural men, men that work in logic and reason (aka the men who built western civilization) are an obstacle to their power. So they will do whatever it takes to neuter the young males and make them psychological slaves, too weak and timid to fight back
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:21 am to
I didnt read under refuse to listen but that isn't a masculine trait it is a mfing coping techinque
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17324 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:22 am to
step 1: stop reading everyday feminism

step 2: enjoy life free of fringe ranting
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
72977 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:23 am to
That list sounds like every woman I have known or worked with. The blind hypocrisy is stunning with these counts.
Posted by AnonymousTiger
Franklin, TN
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:23 am to
People who use the qualifier "cis" in a serious manner need to be put down.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:23 am to
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I'm sure SFP can dig up some really good titles to "social studies" done by some of these whack jobs. Most if them make no sense at all.

you see the social science journals just get busted for publishing fake articles?
Posted by Dawgholio
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Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:25 am to
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Being Dominant, Aggressive, or Intimidating


What is one of the first things women say they want?
A guy that takes charge and is in control.

The real women of the world need to start fighting back against this feminist trash before they ruin it for us and them
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:26 am to


This is probably their idea of an acceptable man.
Posted by macaronithepony
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:26 am to
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here are the solutions:

Seems to me the only solution is killing all white straight males? What a bunch of C words.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:30 am to
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I don’t get why people refuse to accept men and women are different. It’s just maddening.

the primary reason is towards the extreme of the belief system. admitting one biological difference means that all biological attributes are on the table. so if we agree women see things more in terms of communication, empathy, and emotional connections and men see things more in terms of aggression, logic, and competition, then different outputs from these attributes becomes an issue.

what they've done is kind of try to take both arguments (individual-biology and society). this is where you get into the "cultural Marxism" angle (that many people get confused about). they've created this vague, institutional situation called "patriarchy" that not only poisons men to act in toxic ways (demeaning the biological-male traits) but it also created a society that rewards these traits (to help men and exclude women).

so, even if they were to budge on the biological differences a bit, those biological differences are now toxic because of their place in society. think of it this way: why should competition be so rewarded? why should aggression be so rewarded? why should working more than others be rewarded? why should rational viewpoints be rewarded?

hence, articles like these that tell males "your behavior is toxic because of society, but even if it's biological, you need to drop those traits we historically consider masculine and become more feminine. otherwise, you propose a system where women cannot compete equally and outcomes will be different, causing inequality."
Posted by When in Rome
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:31 am to
Most women don't agree with this line of thinking. Fourth-wave feminism is dishonest and for the most part serves as an injustice to previous feminist movements.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 8:32 am
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