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re: Are younger people applying less often to jobs?
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:19 am to athenslife101
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:19 am to athenslife101
Several in this thread have expressed frustration over how HR departments approach hiring. And. I understand.
However, I will tell you that most of these complaints are indicative of the fact you haven't learned to work the system.
Applicant Taking Systems are the devil. LOL. Over writing jobs is chronic.
But. In just the last six months I've helped 5 people who had been looking for a long time land jobs. Good jobs. Most recently, a friend with an MBA working for friggin 42k reached out to me. He is now making 81k.
If you genuinely want to work this market, it's really not that hard. I mean, assuming you have SOMETHING marketable.
The trick is to stop playing the game in accordance with its apparent design.
I'll give you one thing to chew on.
A good friend who works for a major company as a recruiter tells me that for any decent job they list, she gets at least 50 applications. So. You know what SHE does all day? She beats the bushes for passive candidate talent. IE, people that didn't apply
Think about the implications of that to you job search.
However, I will tell you that most of these complaints are indicative of the fact you haven't learned to work the system.
Applicant Taking Systems are the devil. LOL. Over writing jobs is chronic.
But. In just the last six months I've helped 5 people who had been looking for a long time land jobs. Good jobs. Most recently, a friend with an MBA working for friggin 42k reached out to me. He is now making 81k.
If you genuinely want to work this market, it's really not that hard. I mean, assuming you have SOMETHING marketable.
The trick is to stop playing the game in accordance with its apparent design.
I'll give you one thing to chew on.
A good friend who works for a major company as a recruiter tells me that for any decent job they list, she gets at least 50 applications. So. You know what SHE does all day? She beats the bushes for passive candidate talent. IE, people that didn't apply
Think about the implications of that to you job search.
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:22 am to ShortyRob
I don't understand what advice you're giving. Are you saying DON'T apply for the jobs you want? I've been doing that my entire adult life and have only hit once in 15 years.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:26 am to ShortyRob
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I'll give you one thing to chew on.
Im still chewing on the last part of your post and its very chewy.
:whatdoesitmean:
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:26 am to THRILLHO
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IF you get an interview, write a handwritten letter thanking the people that interviewed you.
Can I type the letter? My handwriting skills would probably put me in the reject file
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:26 am to THRILLHO
quote:I'm telling you that if your primary method of chasing jobs you want is surfing online job boards and throwing out resumes, then you are operating in A VERY low hit rate environment.
I don't understand what advice you're giving. Are you saying DON'T apply for the jobs you want? I've been doing that my entire adult life and have only hit once in 15 years.
Also. I'm consistently stunned at how bad people are at tailoring resumes to jobs.
I'm saying. You need to get outside your comfort zone and learn west the high hit rate people are doing differently. Trust me. It isn't merely due to them being more "qualified".
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:29 am to Jones
quote:So. Think about human nature.
Im still chewing on the last part of your post and its very chewy.
Why does a recruiter who almost certainly has applications on her desk that are qualified still spend all day working LinkedIn and other avenues?
Hell. Why does the company PAY her to do it?
We're not talking jobs with highly specialized and rare skills here.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:35 am to THRILLHO
quote:I'm not trying to insult you here. I am genuinely willing to help.
I applied to about 150 different positions online.
The above indicates the problem.
Look. I'm not saying don't apply online. But there is A LOT more to it.
For example. Of those 150, how many would you estimate that you till the time to find someone within the company that you reached out to? Especially people in similar positions?
My MBA friend. Here put in about that many resumes. Jack shite to show for it. The resumes into me helping him. He doubled his salary.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 12:36 am
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:37 am to weadjust
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Can I type the letter? My handwriting skills would probably put me in the reject file
As long as it isn't a boilerplate letter, sure. Research the company and mention their previous work in the letter. Try to relate yourself to the work that they did (i.e you designed a building that I've taken classes in, or the company does accounting for a business that you frequent, some shite like that). The key is relating to them. For bigger companies, you could describe a birthmark on the CEO's balls and they won't care. For smaller companies, if you can relate yourself to them, that's big.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:49 am to ShortyRob
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I'm not trying to insult you here. I am genuinely willing to help.
I'm un-insultable, plus I already have a job, so no worries.
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Look. I'm not saying don't apply online. But there is A LOT more to it.
I've already said as much.
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Of those 150, how many would you estimate that you till the time to find someone within the company that you reached out to? Especially people in similar positions?
Again, besides the one NOLA corporation that I had connections to, zero. It's insanely difficult to find people in larger corporations to connect to. That's why I recommended going after smaller companies. Again, I'm an engineer. Try to find people to connect to at the likes of Entergy, Northrop, or the O&G companies, and you'll come up empty. Google smaller engineering firms in SELA, and some of them list literally every employee. Going small is a great idea for recent grads, and you very well may decide to stick around for your entire career.
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My MBA friend. Here put in about that many resumes. Jack shite to show for it. The resumes into me helping him. He doubled his salary.
I promise you that you can't double my salary now. But if you have that kind of employer/employee matching skills, maybe I'll be hollering at you some day. Given the job market today, I'm just happy to have one, and I'm pretty happy where I am. I think plenty of recent grads are in the same position.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:03 am to ShortyRob
Dang, I need you. Been trying since June and haven't secured a job yet.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:09 am to athenslife101
I've applied for at least 50 jobs/internships online this year, and cold called the same number of companies around me. Didn't get anything, so I just quit. I have learned that bigger companies will say they need people, but just collect resumes with no intention of hiring someone. I don't need the money, so I gave up and am working on my 15hrs this semester.
Your sources are lying to you. They open the positions and don't ever hire qualified people. Also, they grossly overstate the qualifications needed. Now, entry-level means 2-5 years experience.
Your sources are lying to you. They open the positions and don't ever hire qualified people. Also, they grossly overstate the qualifications needed. Now, entry-level means 2-5 years experience.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:25 am to THRILLHO
Writing a thank you note I agree. A physical letter is iffy. They may not get it. It ifht get lost in the mail or administrators might forget to drop it buy. I know for our building, if you want to receive physical mail from someone, they must have the code of where you sit in the building and that ain't something that you can find out. I know we'd very much prefer email.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:33 am to Hammertime
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Now, entry-level means 2-5 years experience.
False. My company hires engineers straight out of college with zero work experience. We have hundreds of jobs available and very few qualified people that can hang on a 6-panel, whiteboard interview format.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:39 am to Breauxsif
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False. My company hires engineers straight out of college with zero work experience.
I promise you that your company is an outlier.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:42 am to Breauxsif
Very rarely happens here (as a bunch of other posters have noted). I applied for a few internships up in WA, and those bastards wouldn't bite even though they have multiple of the same facilities here. I am much more qualified for an internship with that company than anyone else who applied as per the hiring manager. It's just too much of a pain in the arse to deal with right now. I have given up for the time being
Posted on 8/26/16 at 2:12 am to athenslife101
lol no
Posted on 8/26/16 at 2:45 am to Golfer
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Are these "entry level" positions that require 3-5 years direct experience in said field?
Probably and younger people these days are too pussy to walk in there like they are the Head Honcho King Swinging Dick and explain why even though they don't have the experience they will do a better job than some turd who has 3-5 years of experience in that job and hasn't been promoted to management yet and will never will.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 2:52 am to SuperSaint
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I know if I could just get in front of the hiring manager, I could absolutely sell them on giving me the chance, but that's hard to do these days right out of the gate.....
Call all the ones you want to talk to and offer to take them to lunch any day they want at any restaurant they want so you can talk about the position, or if you think that might be considered a bribe offer to bring their entire office lunch if they will give you 5 minutes of their time after. Tell them you don't expect anything, just say you want the job and you are confident that if they meet you they will agree you are a great candidate. What are they all going to say no?
Posted on 8/26/16 at 2:56 am to lsu480
quote:that's how I got mine
walk in there like they are the Head Honcho King Swinging Dick and explain why even though they don't have the experience they will do a better job
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:09 am to GreatLakesTiger24
I think that is how everyone got good jobs at a young age? Hell David Geffen used nothing but a fake UCLA degree and swag to get his first job and now he is the richest dude in L.A. and can afford to have stars like Keanu Reeves slob on his knob while they tongue his crusty ballsack right before he bends them over and skeets his gay juice all up in their buttholes!
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