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Are younger people applying less often to jobs?

Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:23 pm
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:23 pm
I don't have any evidence to support other than what I've heard. I've heard several times recently from reputable companies that the number of applications are drying up. Positions are going months before being filled by people that are overqualified because there aren't enough entry level/early career people applying or they're outsourcing the jobs. Anyone seeing this?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:24 pm to
In my experience, the opposite
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:26 pm to
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Positions are going months before being filled by people that are overqualified because there aren't enough entry level/early career people applying


Are these "entry level" positions that require 3-5 years direct experience in said field?
Posted by Jobin
Member since May 2009
3472 posts
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:28 pm to
What field of work is this referencing?
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27348 posts
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:31 pm to
I have been in an office for 10 years and I desperately want to go into a plant. I wasn't hired for a loader position a while back because I have two degrees. Guy said he thought I would bail asap. Everyone does from that position anyways, I just wanted 6 months of experience.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:31 pm to
quote:

Are these "entry level" positions that require 3-5 years direct experience in said field?


this shite is so frustrating right now.

I just made 34 and yes I know I know there are some things that if I could go back and do over, I would.( maybe more than 'some') But I'm in a place in my life where I'm trying to branch out and find something completely new that I love outside of sales. And many of the jobs, I know for a fact, I could rock them and some I'm actually overqualified for with my abilities imp, but I don't have the "3-5 years" job experience.... Also some of the jobs I looked at, I know if I could just get in front of the hiring manager, I could absolutely sell them on giving me the chance, but that's hard to do these days right out of the gate.....

Oh well I needed that vent. Thanks
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 11:41 pm
Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
49488 posts
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:33 pm to
quote:

Are these "entry level" positions that require 3-5 years direct experience in said field?



fricking this. I'm not terribly young, but a relatively recent graduate (May '15). Took me 8 months to find a job, and I was applying to technician jobs despite an engineering degree. Everyone wants experience.

If I were running a company, I would take advantage. You can lowball recent grads and have them do a lot of bitch work while still learning about the business. Kind of interns with benefits. After a few years experience, if they're still with the company and you know they're reliable, start paying them what it takes to keep them on board.
Posted by rantfan
new iberia la
Member since Nov 2012
14110 posts
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:34 pm to
Yes, my eight year old hasn't applied for one job yet.
Posted by Jobin
Member since May 2009
3472 posts
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:35 pm to
You're not the only one man. There are definitely others in the same position as you. The new age hiring process is fricked up. Keep your head up
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18551 posts
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:35 pm to
quote:

positions that require 3-5 years direct experience


I've been told several times these numbers are usually BS to a certain degree. Of course there are some limits. When I did a career change, they wanted 1 year, but since I didn't have that, they came back and offered me another position. But in general, I've always been told that hiring managers write their job descriptions as a wishlist and don't expect everyone to meet every checkmark.
Posted by ZacAttack
The Land Mass
Member since Oct 2012
6416 posts
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:43 pm to
The job market is rough right now, and the hiring process doesn't help. Your resume and application gets screened by a computer first that scans for key words and then it goes to an actual person. I was also there on the entry level with 3-5 years of experience. It's frustrating as hell.
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
15529 posts
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:52 pm to
Applied to a job and had the experience and passion for it. The manager seemed to really want me on board.
The only problem? It required a bachelors degree.
I had just completed all my coursework a week earlier but since I did not have the physical degree "in hand" yet, HR didn't let him hire me.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:54 pm to
quote:

I've been told several times these numbers are usually BS to a certain degree. Of course there are some limits. When I did a career change, they wanted 1 year, but since I didn't have that, they came back and offered me another position. But in general, I've always been told that hiring managers write their job descriptions as a wishlist and don't expect everyone to meet every checkmark.


Correct. But what they are doing by creating this wish list is discouraging someone that may actually be qualified for the job to even apply. Not to mention the algorithms for the larger companies that are digitally scanning resumes to screen initial applications don't overlook this information.

I applied for a job last year at the recommendation of a current employee involved in the hiring process. The job had a minimum of 10 years experience. I had 9 post graduation but worked full-time as an intern/fellow in the field for my senior year. The system almost immediately kicked my application out. My contact on the inside had to manually include my resume in the review pool.

Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:55 pm to
You flying to ATL with me early this morning?
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:58 pm to
Nope
Posted by GeauxMatt624
Bangor, Maine
Member since Feb 2016
566 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:02 am to
Being a recent job seeker with a graduate degree I beg to differ. No amount of school can make up for 3-5 years of experience. That means that recent graduates get stuck at shite pyramid scheme type companies to try and get their foot in the door
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259898 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:05 am to
It's better to accept underemployment to get the experience than it is to spend a long period of time unemployed while seeking the "perfect job." Getting experience at a lower level used to be an expectation for almost any job, including professional positions.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:07 am to
Just to be clear, I agree with this premise. But jobs that require 3-5 years experience directly in the field of the job posting are not entry level jobs.
Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
49488 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:08 am to
quote:

The job market is rough right now, and the hiring process doesn't help. Your resume and application gets screened by a computer first that scans for key words and then it goes to an actual person. I was also there on the entry level with 3-5 years of experience. It's frustrating as hell.



I applied to about 150 different positions online. A vast majority were larger companies throughout the SE. Got one legit interview with a medium sized local company (Cleco), and two local MEP firms (one of which I was accepted to). That was it.

A SELA favorite en(t)ergy distributor called me about 6 months after I applied for a phone interview (about 2 months into my current job). I did this. During the phone interview, they asked me for an in person interview, but I wasn't willing to take off of work to do it, so it never happened. And I probably only got that call because I have a relative very high up in the company.

Basically, if you're an inexperienced youngin', go ahead and apply to those big corporations, but don't expect anything out of them. Focus on the smaller companies. If you want, cold call them, tell the person that answers that you're very interested in working in that field and ask whom to send your resume to. Don't bother asking for the owner/person in charge of hiring because they're too busy for that shite. On top of your resume, send in some sort of work that shows some competence in the field, or at least shows that you're working your way towards competence. Then, on top of that, find out who runs the small company and send them a handwritten letter about how you would be great for the job.

Best advice I can give (stolen from "What Color is Your Parachute") is, IF you get an interview, write a handwritten letter thanking the people that interviewed you. Each and every one of them. I swear that I did this for 3 jobs, and for the one that I actually got, I found my letter sitting on the desk of a coworker about 2 weeks in.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259898 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:10 am to
quote:

But jobs that require 3-5 years experience directly in the field of the job posting are not entry level jobs.


I suppose it depends on the competition, but I've found that competent people can work their way into a position if they don't have direct experience. Usually more effective at smaller firms, but it's been a viable career starter.
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