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re: Anyone Get to Observe One of the St. George Petition Signings?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:07 am to LSURussian
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:07 am to LSURussian
quote:
At least I feign ignorance. You don't have to feign it.
And stop lying about what I've posted.
There's that superstar wit again. I told you last week that you are a child. You prove it yet again.
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Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:08 am to BugAC
In your feeble little brain, you think...
Stop lying about what I've posted.
quote:....is the same as....
SG area can not manage a city because it doesn't contribute enough money,
quote:???
SG can not form it's own city without raising taxes "dramatically"?
Stop lying about what I've posted.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:10 am to LSURussian
quote:
Stop lying about what I've posted.
No one believes you Russian.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:10 am to LeonPhelps
quote:The residents of St George will continue to pay the same BREC taxes. Those are parish property taxes, not city taxes. The residents of Baker, Zachary and Central pay the BREC taxes also.
Same goes for BREC
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:12 am to LSURussian
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The residents of St George will continue to pay the same BREC taxes. Those are parish property taxes, not city taxes. The residents of Baker, Zachary and Central pay the BREC taxes also.
Well damn. At least I can still avoid paying for downtown items or for keys to the city for people like R Kelly, or for a council member's trip to Obama's inauguration. The latter 2 should be considered a felony punishable with prison time for stealing taxpayer funds.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:14 am to BugAC
quote:Let's make a bet.
No one believes you Russian.
If you can link to a post I've made that says SG "can't be a city because it doesn't contribute enough money", I'll voluntarily never post in any SG thread again.
If you can't do it, you voluntarily never post in a SG thread again. And if you don't do it, everyone will know you're lying, not me.
So, go ahead and prove I'm lying. You can't do it.
Deal?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:16 am to LSURussian
quote:
If you can link to a post
Wow! Wait, you want me to link a post? The king of distorted statements and facts regarding SG, and then saying you won't link them is asking others to link a post? That's rich.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:17 am to Alt26
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Two theories:
1. The movement is losing steam and they're not as close to getting the requisite amount as they hoped they would be at this point. Therefore they stopped releasing the numbers so as to not continue to give the opposition the argument that many in the area don't want the incorporation take place
2. The opposition will likely grow more boisterous the closer they get to the magic number. Therefore, in order to calm the flames so to speak, they are simply just leaving the opposition in the dark on the status.
I'm going with your second theory here based on what I saw. That one guy collected roughly 10 signatures in 10-15 minutes I watched him. I'd wager if he was out there 2 hours he probably easily collected 80.
However I will say it's likely the rate of collection has gone down as all of the people hot to sign it have already done so. I'd think it'd be the case with any petition drive.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:20 am to LeonPhelps
Why can't a town as conservative as BR have a libertarian mayor who will come in an wreck shop? If I ran for mayor, I would promise a massive reduction of the government. All a city government needs is a police force, a court system, a fire department, a public education system, a few attorneys on payroll, a few people in tax, and a few people in the mayor's office. Everything else is privatized (BREC, CATS, libraries, and any other crap we have) and every single employee not mentioned above is laid off permanently. We would cut government expenses dramatically, allowing us to reduce taxes as well. If people want the services being cut, they can pay for it themselves rather than force everyone else to pay for it. I would also consolidate the two police forces in the city into the one non-unionized one. All pensions would be eliminated and replaced with 401k's. No jobs would be secured. Anyone could be fired at any time just like in a private business. This is my wet dream for a city government.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:22 am to LeonPhelps
quote:
Well damn.
quote:Actually the vast majority of the money for the "downtown items" comes from the Downtown Development District's dedicated property tax that only the property owners within the downtown area pay. It's not a city or parish wide tax. And the New Year's Eve party in the downtown city square was paid for by corporate sponsors. No tax money was used for that event. Sorry.
At least I can still avoid paying for downtown items
quote:Okay, you got that one right! You'll save your share of that fifty bucks every few years. Of course, you'll also see your school taxes escalate like they did in Central and Zachary once they formed their own school districts but I know you won't mind paying 60% (Central) to 90% (Zachary) more in school property taxes.
or for keys to the city for people like R Kelly
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:25 am to LeonPhelps
quote:
hy can't a town as conservative as BR have a libertarian mayor who will come in an wreck shop? If I ran for mayor, I would promise a massive reduction of the government. All a city government needs is a police force, a court system, a fire department, a public education system, a few attorneys on payroll, a few people in tax, and a few people in the mayor's office. Everything else is privatized (BREC, CATS, libraries, and any other crap we have) and every single employee not mentioned above is laid off permanently. We would cut government expenses dramatically, allowing us to reduce taxes as well. If people want the services being cut, they can pay for it themselves rather than force everyone else to pay for it. I would also consolidate the two police forces in the city into the one non-unionized one. All pensions would be eliminated and replaced with 401k's. No jobs would be secured. Anyone could be fired at any time just like in a private business. This is my wet dream for a city government.
#20 BR
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:25 am to White Shadeaux
quote:
Move to Port Allen and have everything you desire.
Oh because Deedy Slaughter is so great? GTFO
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:26 am to BugAC
quote:Yes, and you can't do it. You're so sure I'm lying, prove me to be a liar, liar.
Wow! Wait, you want me to link a post?
quote:The only time I've said I won't provide a link is after I've provided a link supporting my statements multiple times and refuse to continue to provide the same links to the same posters every time they ask for a link. They are trolling and I refuse to let them troll me.
and then saying you won't link them
You're lying again.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:26 am to LSURussian
quote:
or for keys to the city for people like R Kelly
Okay, you got that one right! You'll save your share of that fifty bucks every few years.
This is the attitude that pisses me off so much. Every single cent belongs to taxpayers. Even one cent misused is an abuse and should not be tolerated in any way. This lackadaisical attitude is what allows city council members to treat our tax coffers as a personal piggy bank. It should not be tolerated one bit. It is a very slippery slope to be ok with minor abuses. That soon escalates to major abuses as the line gets pushed further and further away.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:26 am to LR2RedStick
pretty sure that was sarcasm
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:28 am to LeonPhelps
quote:I would vote for you but I'm afraid I would lonely doing it....
I would promise a massive reduction of the government. All a city government needs is a police force, a court system, a fire department, a public education system, a few attorneys on payroll, a few people in tax, and a few people in the mayor's office. Everything else is privatized (BREC, CATS, libraries, and any other crap we have) and every single employee not mentioned above is laid off permanently.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:31 am to BugAC
I stated this
Here are your posts.
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and your comments on race
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regarding current ebrpss education
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Would you like me to keep going?
ETA: I tried to copy the other posters statement, but it mixed them together. I'll try to distinguish Russians remarks with an R
quote:
Did you or did you not state that SG can not form it's own city without raising taxes "dramatically"? Did you or did you not state that the SG people do not contribute a significant portion of taxes to the EBR coffers?
Here are your posts.
quote:
They have on their website that taxes won't go up. More government, six new schools, better services but taxes won't need to be increased.
Riiiight.......
LINK
quote:
OP: They obviously are a large portion of the tax base.
R: Not really. None of the largest 5 property taxpayers in the parish is in the SG area. The sales taxes collected in the Bluebonnet retail district (Mall of La, Perkins Rowe) are not paid BY the SG residents but by shoppers from all over the area. Besides, that retail area will be incorporated into BR before it can leave to be in another city. That is already in the works. That will reduce SG's tax revenues by more than 50% of its budget.
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OP: I think the fact that the members of the EBR City/Parish Council opposed to St. George incorporating because of the lost sales tax revenue is pretty conclusive evidence that St. George residents would benefit from incorporating.
R: No, it doesn't. Not even close to being conclusive evidence. You have no idea how much the SG city will have to increase taxes just to provide the same level of services.
And that doesn't include how much in new taxes will be needed to fund a new school district if that ever happens.
Poodle, I'm really disappointed in you that you have reduced the "evidence" to such a simple denominator.
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OP:Theoretically, the tax base should increase. I'd imagine that St George will be a popular destination for families that don't really want to move to the suburbs. You should see a revenue increase over the next ten years.
The base for property taxes is from commercial/industrial real estate, not residential.
R: Other than Perkins Rowe and the Mall of Louisiana, both of which I'm predicting will be incorporated into BR's city limits prior to St George's incorporation, there is relatively little commercial/industrial property in the proposed city's limits. There is no Exxon, no chemical plants and no downtown commercial office buildings for the new city to rely upon.
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OP: I tend to believe that starting a city with a clean slate, without decades of slush-funding, outdated contracts, political machines, systemic corruption, etc. will leave enough tax revenue for a new city to operate well without a huge tax increase.
R: You are ignoring that many of those 'legacy' costs will still have to be absorbed by the new city, including teacher retirement and retiree health costs.
For a comparison, since so many of you keep claiming taxes won't be increased for a new school system, the total property tax assessment for EBR school system is 43.45 mills.
For Zachary, it is 79.20 mills. For Central it is 60.40 mills. LINK
Does everyone still think the new school system won't require a higher property tax?
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and your comments on race
quote:
And posters tell me I'm off base when I say SG is all about race?!?
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regarding current ebrpss education
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OP: Naïve? That is being realistic.
There has been some improvement, but not all that great especially when you consider the millions spent on new schools, fixing up old schools, and teacher pay raises.
R: YOu and I have had this identical discussion numerous times in these SG threads. No matter how many times I use objective figures to show you how much the schools have improved or how well the schools in the SG district already have it, you ignore the facts. Since neither of us will convince the other person so I'm just going to ignore your posts.
LINK
Would you like me to keep going?
ETA: I tried to copy the other posters statement, but it mixed them together. I'll try to distinguish Russians remarks with an R
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 11:36 am
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:32 am to LSURussian
I can't wait for SG to happen just to spite you and for no other reason.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:34 am to LSURussian
quote:
quote:
I would promise a massive reduction of the government. All a city government needs is a police force, a court system, a fire department, a public education system, a few attorneys on payroll, a few people in tax, and a few people in the mayor's office. Everything else is privatized (BREC, CATS, libraries, and any other crap we have) and every single employee not mentioned above is laid off permanently.
I would vote for you but I'm afraid I would lonely doing it....
Do you believe that Baton Rouge is moving closer to or farther away from this political model?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:37 am to hawkster
I'm just curious what vested interest Russian has in this argument. Its the same rhetoric every time St. George is brought up. Surely he stands to lose something by this potential change?
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