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Advocate takes on LSU's budget problems today.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:28 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:28 am
Article is pretty factual, except for the part where she calls the architecture Spanish. (It's Italian.)
There are too many pigs at the trough. Time to close the glorified high schools that are siphoning funds away from the flagship.
https://theadvocate.com/news/neworleans/neworleansnews/12896382-172/special-report-flagship-agenda-on-hold-at-lsu
There are too many pigs at the trough. Time to close the glorified high schools that are siphoning funds away from the flagship.
https://theadvocate.com/news/neworleans/neworleansnews/12896382-172/special-report-flagship-agenda-on-hold-at-lsu
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:30 am to Slippy
Way too many schools in Louisiana, time to sack up and close some.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:34 am to Slippy
Close everything thread #5,001 created by Slippy.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:36 am to Slippy
This series of articles have been very well done by the Advocate and are long overdue. I'm glad that the issues are finally being laid out in such a way that your average citizen can read the stories and digest the information.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:38 am to Slippy
If the state is unable to close SUNO there is no way in hell they can close anything else.
Too much cronyism and money in higher education to close the spigot.
Too much cronyism and money in higher education to close the spigot.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:38 am to Slippy
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Among the state’s 14 four-year public universities,
14, people. It's time to close the doors at a few schools.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 8:45 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:49 am to Slippy
Wow, 14 universities? At least a couple of those could probably be closed. Also, cancel TOPS.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:51 am to Slippy
Come up with a solution to build dorms, classrooms, and parking garages for the students displaced by these closures with the budget situation LA is in for the foreseeable future. And don't just say "tighten admissions", there are plenty of students that go to Nichols that would get into other 1-AA sized schools in this state - hell, LSU's transfer requirements are pretty lax as well.
CLOSE SOUTHEASTERN RABBLE RABBLE means an entire city economy goes to shite while 14,000 students have to find new places to go to school, likely UNO or UL-L. How do you propose they handle that influx on a whim?
CLOSE SOUTHEASTERN RABBLE RABBLE means an entire city economy goes to shite while 14,000 students have to find new places to go to school, likely UNO or UL-L. How do you propose they handle that influx on a whim?
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 8:53 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:57 am to Slippy
I doubt they will close schools. Time to cut the fat.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:00 am to Horsemeat
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Come up with a solution to build dorms, classrooms, and parking garages for the students displaced by these closures with the budget situation LA is in for the foreseeable future.
Where's the money for this?
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CLOSE SOUTHEASTERN RABBLE RABBLE means an entire city economy goes to shite while 14,000 students have to find new places to go to school, likely UNO or UL-L. How do you propose they handle that influx on a whim?
Good point. Where's the money for this? The schools need to somehow expand to accommodate, correct?
At least you bring up some good stuff. Some people pretty much say "close everything except LSU BR" and maybe 1 or 2 others.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 9:04 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:07 am to cyogi
Dumb responses like Close SLU don't take into account what that means for the city and parish - most of the workers at the WalMart DC in Robert are students at SLU (along with other warehouses and businesses in the area), most of the downtown businesses and restaurants are mom and pop stores reliant on the university, pretty much every bar in downtown would close, not to mention the money lost from commuter students money on fuel and food spent in the city. The assertion that shutting down a school to funnel more money to LSU is stupid because there's a much greater impact to think of.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 9:09 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:24 am to Horsemeat
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Dumb responses like Close SLU don't take into account what that means for the city and parish - most of the workers at the WalMart DC in Robert are students at SLU (along with other warehouses and businesses in the area), most of the downtown businesses and restaurants are mom and pop stores reliant on the university, pretty much every bar in downtown would close, not to mention the money lost from commuter students money on fuel and food spent in the city. The assertion that shutting down a school to funnel more money to LSU is stupid because there's a much greater impact to think of.
This is why we will never close the doors at any school. Every congressman with a school in his or her district will argue the same point. Also, nobody wants to alienate another congressman in case he needs that persons vote later on for a project in his district. We should just expect more of the same.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:25 am to Slippy
So, why has this thread not been moved to the Political Talk board?
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:28 am to Horsemeat
We should NOT close Southeastern. It is doing fine in terms of enrollment and offering affordable higher education.
There are so many other lower performing institutions that should be considered before closing Southeastern.
Institutions should not be allowed to receive students on TOPS if their graduation rate is below a certain %
There are so many other lower performing institutions that should be considered before closing Southeastern.
Institutions should not be allowed to receive students on TOPS if their graduation rate is below a certain %
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:33 am to Slippy
A couple of takeaways...
- It seems like the administration was budgeting and counting on stable or increased revenues from state funding to help move along the "Flagship" program. How could this assumption ever be justified considering the state and its revenue sources?
- It looks like tuition hikes were going to come down anyway, whether the state money came in or not. So the narrative the state cuts resulted in tuition increases seems to be bullshite. State cuts resulted in more student enrollment (whereas they were planning on limiting enrollment), some lost teachers and researchers, the failure of the flagship program, and a massive cost shifting from the state (i.e. taxpayers) to the students (i.e. consumers). I think that part is where most people have the ideological disagreement. Who SHOULD be paying those costs?
- It seems like the administration was budgeting and counting on stable or increased revenues from state funding to help move along the "Flagship" program. How could this assumption ever be justified considering the state and its revenue sources?
- It looks like tuition hikes were going to come down anyway, whether the state money came in or not. So the narrative the state cuts resulted in tuition increases seems to be bullshite. State cuts resulted in more student enrollment (whereas they were planning on limiting enrollment), some lost teachers and researchers, the failure of the flagship program, and a massive cost shifting from the state (i.e. taxpayers) to the students (i.e. consumers). I think that part is where most people have the ideological disagreement. Who SHOULD be paying those costs?
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 9:34 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:33 am to Horsemeat
If a decision is ever made to shut down schools, those schools won't close down the very next day. It would likely be a very long process to allow all current students to graduate, faculty/staff to find other jobs, and allow the funding for those universities to gradually decrease while it is redirected to remaining schools to allow them to expand to accommodate some of the displaced students/faculty.
ETA: I would imagine that serving the same number of students on one campus rather than multiple campuses would be much cheaper after the initial costs for things like construction.
ETA: I would imagine that serving the same number of students on one campus rather than multiple campuses would be much cheaper after the initial costs for things like construction.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 9:37 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:35 am to Horsemeat
The same can be said of every university. You can't keep every school open because some businesses may suffer. That's not a good reason. The state is having serious budgetary issues and it is in part due to the glut of 4 year institutions in this state. Something has to change. Not every city with a population of more than 5 people needs a university. Not everyone gets to stay home and go to school.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:41 am to Tha Herg
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This series of articles have been very well done by the Advocate and are long overdue. I'm glad that the issues are finally being laid out in such a way that your average citizen can read the stories and digest the information.
except for the part where they fail to mention its not a revenue problem, its a spending problem. And not just because there are too many universities, but because every fricking school wastes money on useless positions, curriculums, facilities, etc. And, sorry, I'm not sad taxpayers only fund a quarter of the education expense instead of 3/4 like the "good ole days". If the students want to go, let them and their parents pay for it. If the school wants grandiose facilities, pay for it. I'm tired of subsidising everyone's dreams and lifestyles.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:41 am to quail man
Like I said above, it would likely be a long process to shut down any schools if it ever happens. In the meantime, those businesses in the area that rely on universities will have time to adapt. Keeping schools open just because businesses in the area rely on them is essentially government funding and subsidies for private businesses, which is completely contrary to the small government role for which most Louisiana residents yearn.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:44 am to WPBTiger
Here's a good start...
Forbes University Ranking List
Congratulations! If you are one of the five public universities emboldened and listed above, then you have managed to establish some sort of value beneficial to the students of your respective institution and the people of Louisiana!
Each of the nine other public universities which failed to make this list are effectively up for evaluation and critique, and are consequently on the potential chopping block.
Forbes University Ranking List
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#134 Tulane $63,108 12,938
#191 LSU $41,867 30,478
#389 Louisiana Tech $33,273 11,015
#478 Centenary College $49,950 661
#505 Loyola University $52,350 4,686
#520 U-LL $32,302 16,646
#565 UNO $34,623 9,323
#619 SELU $30,505 14,934
Congratulations! If you are one of the five public universities emboldened and listed above, then you have managed to establish some sort of value beneficial to the students of your respective institution and the people of Louisiana!
Each of the nine other public universities which failed to make this list are effectively up for evaluation and critique, and are consequently on the potential chopping block.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 11:26 am
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