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re: Accepting two jobs, unethical or wrong?
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:08 am to Bojangles
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:08 am to Bojangles
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Different ways you can look at it I suppose.
yep, as long as he fulfills his obligations to each employer I don't see a problem there, sales is a cut throat profession, the employers don't really have any sense of loyalty/obligation to him other than they expect him to do what they are paying him to do, it's a very expendable position, and 165k isn't that much, depending on where he lives, unless it's base salaries and there are accompanying bonuses and commission
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:10 am to Bojangles
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What says ot?
He'll be hating life in a couple months that's for sure, unless he's a super efficient person that's going to be a frick ton of work. He ought to look into hiring a personal assistant if he wants to do both.
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 9:11 am
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:12 am to Bojangles
He cannot devote equal amount of time to both jobs with successful results. If both jobs are straight commission that is one thing, but if either is salary plus commission then he is basically stealing. The company is paying him for 40 hours a week but if he is splitting time between the 2 he is only giving them 20 per week.
I bet he ends up being a failure at both or fired for conflict of interest.
I bet he ends up being a failure at both or fired for conflict of interest.
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 9:15 am
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:14 am to Phil A Sheo
Is the 165K a "potential" figure?
What is the pay structure? Base + commission or strictly commission?
If it is strictly commission, I can't fault him hedging his bets and working both until he finds the one with the best revenue growth.
But if a company is giving you a base salary, they are expecting (and paying for) your best effort to generate sales. One simply cannot do that when peddling two products.
What is the pay structure? Base + commission or strictly commission?
If it is strictly commission, I can't fault him hedging his bets and working both until he finds the one with the best revenue growth.
But if a company is giving you a base salary, they are expecting (and paying for) your best effort to generate sales. One simply cannot do that when peddling two products.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:16 am to Bojangles
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there's a reason he's keeping it to himself and lot letting the managers know about the other.
You've answered it already yourself...
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unethical
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wrong
He knows if either manager finds out, he's out of that job because they hired him with the expectation of him focusing on their products full time.
Also unethical because he's double dipping on the benefits...one company is giving him a cell phone and company vehicle and insurance and the other company is giving him an allowance for those things. Sounds like he's pocketing the money that Company B gave him for phone and vehicle allowance and using Company A's company provided phone and vehicle to conduct business for both employers.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:17 am to Bojangles
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One company offers cell, vehicle, ins ect
Other offers monthly allowances on cell, vehicle.
it would be a major breach of ethics to use one company's vehicle to sell another company's product.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:18 am to Bojangles
He's almost certainly violating an employment contract, probably two.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:22 am to Bojangles
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I guess I should have mentioned that these positions are temporary.
Apparently he has something else lined up that will come into fruition in July.
Yeah should have mentioned.
Aside from that, If it's feasible to pull off and not a breach of any contract or verbal understanding, it would be pretty smart to take both jobs on a short term to see which one is better. There would be a lot of caveats to that though, don't want to get a bad reputation professionally. Of course, assuming you quit one after a month or two, you wouldn't need to list it on your resume.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:25 am to Bojangles
Your BIL is smarter than you. His work might be his hobby. Let him eat.
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On record, he might be listed as a contract employee. Tons of large firms are doing this Now to bypass employee benefits, and reduce risk. If so, he is free to work for as many companies as he pleases.
ETA:
On record, he might be listed as a contract employee. Tons of large firms are doing this Now to bypass employee benefits, and reduce risk. If so, he is free to work for as many companies as he pleases.
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 9:31 am
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:25 am to Bojangles
What's y'alls honest opinion on the best type of sales job. Asking for a friend.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:27 am to TFS4E
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Usually if you feel like you have to hide something, it is probably unethical.
Ha, unethical? Like your employers are the highest moral authority.
He probably doesn't want to tell his manager because they think it will hinder selling their product/service. If he's able to handle both workloads then it's not a problem.
It's the American Dream!
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:33 am to UptownnMike
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What's y'alls honest opinion on the best type of sales job. Asking for a friend.
Depends on really what you're looking for b/c not all sales jobs are the same.
Though if I had to choose one it would be one with unlimited earning potential..
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:40 am to AUCE05
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ETA:
On record, he might be listed as a contract employee.
Contract labor with a company car? Never heard of that. If he's got a company car, then the employer has to add him to the company's auto insurance...so I think its pretty unlikely that he's contract labor if they're providing a company owned vehicle.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:54 am to Tiger Prawn
Plausible.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:01 am to Bojangles
He will get fired, probably by both companies if either of them ever finds out, and he'll have some tall explaining to do in any subsequent job interviews. A risk. But unethical? Maybe, although you have to consider employers stay up nights thinking up ways to screw over their employees, so they can't blame the employees for looking out for themselves.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:05 am to Jim Rockford
If it isn't illegal, then I'd stack chips until the wheels fell off.
Companies these days seem to have very little loyalty towards their employees and I bet sales based jobs have even less loyalty. Kudos to him for wrangling this in.
Companies these days seem to have very little loyalty towards their employees and I bet sales based jobs have even less loyalty. Kudos to him for wrangling this in.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:05 am to Bojangles
Some people will work 14 hour days to pull in an extra 70k after taxes. MDs do it. Lawyers do it. He can do it for a few years and sock away enough to springboard to bigger and better things. If one of the products/companies has down turn, hes still making 70 or 80k.
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 10:06 am
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:08 am to Bojangles
Yeah, that isn't going to end up working. He really thinks he will never run into a situation where he is needed at both jobs at the same time?
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:08 am to Passing Wind
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I'd like to know where to sign up for 165k
It's quite easy provided you have a degree. My salary is over 70+% of this plus bonus on top and that's me working just one job.
Are you retarded? Yea its just so easy to make 165k, guess thats why it ranks in the top 2% of earners in the US huh?
SOme of yall are stupid as hell and have no concept of reality.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:09 am to lsu777
It's the OT, everybody here is in the top 1%
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