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re: 22 confirmed dead in explosion at the Ariana Grandé concert in UK

Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:32 am to
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:32 am to
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This couldn't be more wrong




Solid counter argument
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65074 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:33 am to
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We aren't banning Muslims worldwide, we're just banning then from countries with minimal political clout. Muslims from Saudi, Egypt, Turkey, and Indonesia are fine by us.


The point of the ban was to halt immigration from those countries whose governments have little to no ability to properly vet their own citizens. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, and Indonesia all have somewhat stable governments that have the ability to vet the backgrounds of its citizens attempting to immigrate to the United States.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83557 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:34 am to
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Solid counter argument


I've already proved my point once and you ignored it

should I revert to violence now to get you to change your mind?

or should I provide more information to you?

which would work better?
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:36 am to
So have we figured out who did it yet?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:38 am to
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So have we figured out who did it yet?


Yes. It was a 23 year old Muslim who was already on a watch list.

ISIS also took credit, but they take credit for everything, so not sure what that is worth.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25876 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:39 am to
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So have we figured out who did it yet?

Some Muslim dude on Britain's terror watchlist
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35374 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:39 am to
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I've already proved my point once and you ignored it






Which was? You didn't answer my original question.


You ignore all history except the history that fits what you are trying to get across.


Answer me this: why was America founded, and what were the means of getting there?
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:41 am to
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Which was? You didn't answer my original question.



that WWII didn't crush communism and/or fascism, it just moved to the Soviet Union and China (it was already there really) and other parts of the world, just in non super powers

quote:

You ignore all history except the history that fits what you are trying to get across.


provide other examples then

I just answered your first one about WWII

quote:

Answer me this: why was America founded, and what were the means of getting there?


I'd rather you just tell me to get to your point
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 9:42 am
Posted by ZIGG
Member since Dec 2016
10129 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:41 am to
So which liberal, SJW trash celebrities/news anchors have come to the defense of Islam so far?

Arianna Grande still hate America? Maybe this will make her grow up and realize how fricked up her Hollywood political views are.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 9:44 am
Posted by JS87
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:44 am to
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
6433 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:44 am to
I thought the courts blocked the ban again, did I miss the news on the most recent decision?
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9454 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:56 am to
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That is why we kill them en masse over there and not allow them the time to fight us over here.


I'm guessing when you say "over there", you mean the Middle East. We can kill them all - "every man, woman, child and dog", as has been previously suggested - but that leaves about 85% of the worldwide Muslim population watching it happen. What do you suppose their reaction will be? Rise up against us? Cower in fear? A combination of both, perhaps? Is our problem now better or worse?
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:59 am to
The Islamic religion is a cancer and a blight upon mankind.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
39110 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 10:00 am to
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Arianna Grande still hate America? Maybe this will make her grow up and realize how fricked up her Hollywood political views are.


Nope. She has plenty of money, an ivory tower, and a staff of people petting her and asking "who's a good girl?".

If anything, after a short, yet respectful, respite, She will try to become some kind of spokesman. Fame from multiple directions creates superstars.
Posted by Dont_Call_Me_RAY
Member since Feb 2017
1439 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 10:07 am to
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frick Islam
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Your head must be buried with sand.

Please tell me you are not defending that murderous cult called islam?
Posted by SUB
Member since Jan 2001
Member since Jan 2009
20819 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 10:14 am to
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Solid counter argument



I'll help.

See Afghanistan and Iraq. You can't bomb the hell out of this problem and expect it to go away. I'm all for destroying terrorists or bombing known locations of terrorists, but the problem will persist and our government and others need a new proactive approach. I don't know what exactly that is, but the focus needs to be also be put on destroying the idealogy and the means in which it spreads.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 10:15 am
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43103 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 10:17 am to
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I don't know what exactly that is, but the focus needs to be also be put on destroying the idealogy and the means in which it spreads.
It would also help if muslims themselves would chip in and fight this shite. Where are the muslim leaders that come out and say their religion is not about killing others? They need to combat some of the terrorist rhetoric that teaches killing as a religious act and an obligation.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 10:20 am
Posted by SUB
Member since Jan 2001
Member since Jan 2009
20819 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 10:20 am to
That would be key.

It's a complicated problem that requires a complicated solution.
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
30054 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 10:22 am to
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You guys are trying to change beliefs, which will never happen. In a situation where everyone believes they are on the right side, overwhelming violence, or the threat thereof, is usually the only way to determine a winner. History has proven this time and again.


i'm not trying to change anyone. A few pages back I suggested what I believe to be the only true answer. Kick them out of all Westernized countries. Force them to isolate themselves and let the citizens of those countries either choose to fight them or let themselves be slaughtered.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 10:22 am to
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