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re: 22 confirmed dead in explosion at the Ariana Grandé concert in UK
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:20 pm to beerJeep
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:20 pm to beerJeep
quote:they are a country because they rolled through, occupied it, and have scared the local population in capitulating
They. Are. A..country. Just because we don't call it a country by name (thus giving them legitimacy) doesn't mean it isn't what they are.
quote:as is treating them like a defined geopolitical entity that was lawfully given power over the land that they control. going in and turning their shite into ash will cause us more harm than good. we need to get the arab nations united in fighting these groups and we need them to take back their lands. not us carpet bombing the region
But to act like they are some rouge group with no chain of command or isn't structurally sound is being willfully ignorant.
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Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:20 pm to WestCoastAg
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do what trump is doing right now. strengthen the middle eastern countries against iran who is the direct cause of all of this and let them know that we are here to help them get rid of ISIS and other similar terrorist organizations while not wanting to fundamentally change their ways of life
We helped the taliban get rid of the Russians and that didn't go as we hoped. Conventional wisdom breaks down with the theocracies.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:20 pm to beerJeep
It is rogue not fricking rouge you bunch of dumb asses. You want to comment on complex geopolitical subjects and you can't spell a simple word? ME politics has consistently confounded the best minds our country has to offer. You aren't going to solve this on the OT.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:20 pm to Spaulding Smails
Out of all of Trump's stupid promises, Mexico paying for it is probably the most plausible.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:21 pm to Walt OReilly
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I still can't believe people thought initially it was balloons popping or a technical malfunction.
You'd be amazed how many people mistake cars backfiring for gunshots and vice versa.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:21 pm to LesMiles BFF
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Trump is the first president wherebi think this axiom doesn't hold true. I honestly believe he ran for president because it would help him acquire more wealth. He's in debt to holders in multiple countries that aren't exactly our friends. Now if he became president he could shape the USA's foreign policy in ways many of the people he owes would be willing to forgive him of his obligations.
Now obviously I'm just guessing and not accusing him of anything, but it is a fact that Trump is in debt to some foreign powers.
Ultimately Trump winning doesn't equal America winning and that's the first time I actually believe this about a president
At first, during the primaries, I thought he was running just to derail Jeb Bush's campaign (I know Bush and Trump had some bad blood due to some business dealings that Bush put a stop to when he was the governor of Florida). And while he was at it, he would use it to market himself. I honestly think he went in not really expecting to win, but the media covered him non stop he kept building momentum and just decided to stick with it.
Then at one point I thought he was trying to lose the election. No one could possibly believe all the shite he was saying and the when the whole "i just grab em by the pussy" audio came out.. I thought "he is done".. But that shows you just how bad Hilary was. If anyone else was running against him, they would have one.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:22 pm to Spaulding Smails
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Mexico is paying for it right?
Right by taxing remittances to Mexico and fixing NAFTA. You thought he meant Mexico was going to cut a check?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:23 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
In all honesty though, a unified Middle East is more of a security threat to the West than a some decentralized terror cells.
It's to our advantage to keep them split up and opposed to each other but not too opposed to create war/instability.
It's to our advantage to keep them split up and opposed to each other but not too opposed to create war/instability.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:24 pm to OweO
I'm exactly the same way. I think he just realized that being president was a marketing bonanza for the trump name.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:24 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Pretty sure the ISIS school textbooks come from Saudi Arabia. And I think at least one of the 9/11 hijackers was from Saudi Arabia.
Saudi is the single most radicalized country in the world, and we're buddied up with them. It's fricking sickening. It was way more than just one of the 9/11 hijackers from Saudi.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:25 pm to WestCoastAg
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they are a country because they rolled through, occupied it, and have scared the local population in capitulating
That's kinda how every country gets founded........
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as is treating them like a defined geopolitical entity that was lawfully given power over the land that they control.
Well... They are a definitively defined geopolitical entity. And they took power in the manner that men have since the dawn of time. They are as legitimate as they come. You rule what you conquer.
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going in and turning their shite into ash will cause us more harm than good.
Eh. I'm not entirely sold on this. Would we get retaliation strikes against us? Of course. But that's what war is. Terrorism has always and will always exist.
But at the end of the day, I'd rather face pockets of terrorist rather than them having a legitimate base of operations in the form of an illegitimate (in the eyes of the world) country.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:25 pm to Spaulding Smails
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Mexico is paying for it right? Cuck!
For frick's sake, get this shite out of here. The people arguing with you can GTFO too.
TIA.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:25 pm to Lou Pai
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How can one definitively say this? It certainly marginalized al Qaeda and sent them reeling.
That obviously didn't entirely eradicate Wahabbism, or prevent the radicalization of Muslims in western countries, but there were certainly some positives in taking on the al Qaeda network head-on.
Well I think the fact that we are having this discussion means that we didn't to anything to stop radical Islam. Sure, we may have stopped one group but the ideology still lives on.
Again, I don't know what the answer is, I just don't have much faith in our past tactics.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:26 pm to PaperPaintball92
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the best thing to do will be to work with the countries in the region and give them the tools to fight back against these types of groups
Yeah its a necessary evil. We gave Afghanistan weapons to fight Russia and after that war was over, they used our own weapons against us.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:26 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:a unified middle east that is friendly to iran is not in our best interests. however, i do believe a unified middle east opposed to iran would
a unified Middle East is more of a security threat to the West than a some decentralized terror cells.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:27 pm to Spaulding Smails
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Lou Pai at the wall ceremony
He doesn't like trump
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:27 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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In all honesty though, a unified Middle East is more of a security threat to the West than a some decentralized terror cells.
The Ottoman Empire says hi.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:27 pm to OweO
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We gave Afghanistan weapons to fight Russia and after that war was over, they used our own weapons against us.
Not really. They used our money.
We gave weapons and money to the anti-Afghan government Mujahideen. The USSR was fighting on Afghanistan's side.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:28 pm to SUB
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We are battling an ideaolgy. You cannot just kill it with bombs.
I think we should at least give it a try and see if it works.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:29 pm to beerJeep
quote:which is then usually followed by a lawful formation of power
That's kinda how every country gets founded........
quote:no they arent
They are as legitimate as they come.
russia is a legitimate geopolitical entity. if red dawn happened tomorrow, then yes, a response of absolute total war would be reasonable. but this isnt what we are dealing with
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