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Posted on 4/21/16 at 8:57 am to musick
Decided to see how many pages before this was posted.... 2nd page.
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 8:58 am to RebelFreeze48
OJ and Columbine turned Geraldo into a star
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:02 am to RebelFreeze48
I live in Littleton and teach at a school roughly 25 minutes away. I had to scout an opponent of Columbine earlier this basketball season and it was a very odd experience walking through the school to the gym.
I have read almost everything about the shootings and a bunch of people in this thread have nailed it. There isn't one single thing that lead to the shootings, but, I would tend to say that this was just a perfect storm of two kids who had an inner struggle to kill and it filtered out over a year or more into real action. I would also say that they self justified their actions into their journals to give themselves more courage and motivation to carry out their plan. Meaning, sure they were likely bullied to a degree by "white hats" or jocks at the school, but they became hypersensitive to every negative interaction they had and fueled that to justify a feeling that they already had. If you read their journals and watch some of the home tapes, they were just as guilty of treating others poorly as they claim caused their hatred of others. It was definitely NOT a case of they had had enough and took action because of how they were treated.
I have read almost everything about the shootings and a bunch of people in this thread have nailed it. There isn't one single thing that lead to the shootings, but, I would tend to say that this was just a perfect storm of two kids who had an inner struggle to kill and it filtered out over a year or more into real action. I would also say that they self justified their actions into their journals to give themselves more courage and motivation to carry out their plan. Meaning, sure they were likely bullied to a degree by "white hats" or jocks at the school, but they became hypersensitive to every negative interaction they had and fueled that to justify a feeling that they already had. If you read their journals and watch some of the home tapes, they were just as guilty of treating others poorly as they claim caused their hatred of others. It was definitely NOT a case of they had had enough and took action because of how they were treated.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:03 am to Dire Wolf
Senior year in multi-media class we had to make a video set to music of a major event that happened while we were in HS. A group had already chosen 9/11, so we took Columbine and set it to "Jeremy". I was Jeremy but changed the video to fit Columbine, and I remember thinking how crazy someone would have to be to do that.
No way that video would fly now. We would have been expelled and the teacher fired
No way that video would fly now. We would have been expelled and the teacher fired
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:07 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Nah
Freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:09 am to musick
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ALWAYS wondered and still do, why schools (to this day, crazy) did not install metal detectors or xray checkpoints across the board after this. The crazy thing about this (and the subsequent shootings up til now) is that to this very day, you could pack heat in your booksack, go to Any School, USA, and blast people. They have not put any precautions in after this. I know some schools have metal detectors in bad areas. but still, it amazes me nothing was done to prevent this besides banning trench coats.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but metal detectors would not have done anything to prevent columbine, right? If I understand the timeline correctly, the shooting started just after 11, and the shooters didn't go to class that morning, they simply showed up just before the shooting.
I'd imagine there haven't been too many mass shootings at schools where the shooter showed up to school that morning with a gun in his school bag and started shooting later in the day.
So, while metal detectors may prevent the kid who is trying to sneak a knife or pistol into school to kill one kid who has been picking on him, I don't think it would be very effective in stopping a mass shooting.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:10 am to BRgetthenet
We were allowed to bring toy guns on campus, I doubt that would go over well
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:11 am to Stud Bud
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Pearl could NOT have been worse since Woodham didn't have any explosives,
I don't think the poster that made that original comment meant it as "Woodham could have done more damage than Kleibold and Harris", I took it to mean that Woodham could have caused more casualties if he had the chance to get back into school with more weapons. The comment was meant to point out that the vice principal saved a few lives.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:13 am to RebelFreeze48
And they made weed legal there... Everything moves in circles I tell you.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:14 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
I graduated that same year, I remember thinking how crazy all this was. Then in college I went to school with a few girls who graduated from Columbine, it was within a year or two after this happened, you could tell that when they spoke about this, they were still kind of in shock.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:17 am to Dire Wolf
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sounds like you went to Westberry or Pearland or some other dumpy Houston high school
Neither of those, but it was in Houston and it was the kind of suburban area that exemplifies the demographic phenomenon we see at work around the country with urban areas becoming prized and revitalized and suburbs turning into the new ghettos. And I had it GOOD. After Katrina (I was already gone by then) they threw up shacks that the government bought for the refugees and our drug dealers went to war with New Orleans' drug dealers, and lost. But in the meantime it got just insanely terrible.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:25 am to ColoradoBama
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Meaning, sure they were likely bullied to a degree by "white hats" or jocks at the school, but they became hypersensitive to every negative interaction they had and fueled that to justify a feeling that they already had. If you read their journals and watch some of the home tapes, they were just as guilty of treating others poorly as they claim caused their hatred of others. It was definitely NOT a case of they had had enough and took action because of how they were treated.
Yup. And look at who they shot and who they didn't (they weren't targeting "the jocks") and the shirt that Harris wore which said "natural selection". It is much more in line with Harris' Übermensch fantasies of himself as an overlord who has transcended morality and, in his own words, has placed people in a DOOM-like reality where the weak will be exterminated, than it is with the story that he was exacting revenge on bullies.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:27 am to Cooter Davenport
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After Katrina (I was already gone by then) they threw up shacks that the government bought for the refugees and our drug dealers went to war with New Orleans' drug dealers, and lost. But in the meantime it got just insanely terrible
Sounds exactly like westberry
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:40 am to UpToPar
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but metal detectors would not have done anything to prevent columbine, right? If I understand the timeline correctly, the shooting started just after 11, and the shooters didn't go to class that morning, they simply showed up just before the shooting.
I'd imagine there haven't been too many mass shootings at schools where the shooter showed up to school that morning with a gun in his school bag and started shooting later in the day.
So, while metal detectors may prevent the kid who is trying to sneak a knife or pistol into school to kill one kid who has been picking on him, I don't think it would be very effective in stopping a mass shooting.
I wasn't talking about Columbine bc obviously it wouldn't have made much of a difference I don't think. (though how they got in the building at all should be discussed) But they were able to get in the building somehow and plant bombs everywhere. I was mainly talking about preventive measures in the aftermath.
I know the school my kids go to has all the doors locked where the kids are. I guess lunchtime is always a vulnerable point bc you have kids moving and being exposed. I'm not saying it would be a silver bullet but I think it would help deter would-be attackers. There have been those kids that bring the guns to school and shoot 1-2 people.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:46 am to Salmon
High school in the late 90's sounds extremely fricked up.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:01 am to musick
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I know the school my kids go to has all the doors locked where the kids are.
And I think these measures are much more effective at preventing mass casualties in a situation like this. School lockdown procedures have been revised greatly since Columbine.
Certainly metal detectors wouldn't hurt. My high school had the wands that they would use, but a student would be "randomly" selected while walking into school in the morning to have someone run the wand over them and search their school bag.
It seems to me that most of the school shootings we've seen since columbine have been committed by a non student (sandy hook and the Amish school in Ohio come to mind) or have been on a college campus (Virginia tech, the community college in Oregon).
A metal detector is not going to stop a non student who shows up and starts shooting and it's not feasible to have metal detectors on a college campus.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:29 am to Salmon
I was in 10 grade when it happened and i remember not wanting to go to school after it happened.
We had a kid make a "list" that he shared with a girl that turned it in. He got expelled immediately. We had a few that wore trench coats outside of school, since we wore uniforms, after it happened on purpose. How their parents let them own a trenchcoat after that is beyond me.
What sucks is there's no way to convince a high school kid, that high school doesn't matter. Later in life, those big dipshit bullies, will likely amount to nothing.
Of the three biggest bullies at our high school, one killed himself, ones a drug addict loser still living with his rich idiot parents at 33, and the other is a tatted up white trash moron that had 3 kids with three different women before he was 23.
We had a kid make a "list" that he shared with a girl that turned it in. He got expelled immediately. We had a few that wore trench coats outside of school, since we wore uniforms, after it happened on purpose. How their parents let them own a trenchcoat after that is beyond me.
What sucks is there's no way to convince a high school kid, that high school doesn't matter. Later in life, those big dipshit bullies, will likely amount to nothing.
Of the three biggest bullies at our high school, one killed himself, ones a drug addict loser still living with his rich idiot parents at 33, and the other is a tatted up white trash moron that had 3 kids with three different women before he was 23.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:35 am to TeddyPadillac
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What sucks is there's no way to convince a high school kid, that high school doesn't matter. Later in life, those big dipshit bullies, will likely amount to nothing.
That's the problem with high school kids in general. Outside of grades, nothing going on there really matters and will all seem completely silly and trivial in a few years, but at the time high school BS is their whole world. They have zero perspective and there's no way to change that because perspective is earned, you can't just give it to someone. The same can be said for kids who get really into drugs or other dangerous and potentially life-ruining criminal behavior in high school in order to be cool or notorious or to impress friends or get girls. I know people who were ruined forever because they wanted to be a high school bad a**. Now it seems so incredibly pointless and stupid.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 12:47 pm to RebelFreeze48
One of the worst parts was that the cops were simply outside not doing a thing while the killing was happening in the library. They were trained to set a perimeter and contain.
If the first cop had entered the building as soon as he arrived within minutes of the first shots, many, many lives could have been saved. It is unforgivable.
If the first cop had entered the building as soon as he arrived within minutes of the first shots, many, many lives could have been saved. It is unforgivable.
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