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Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:15 pm to TideSaint
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Fournette? will be a bust
I actually have a bad feeling you're right.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:15 pm to Chad504boy
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Anything AP/AD can do, Ingram can do better, watch Marky Mark hit the shite out of this ball.
Did he trip on a blade of grass en route to get his ball??
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:21 pm to Chad504boy
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watch Marky Mark hit the shite out of this ball
is that supposed to be a gif?
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:28 pm to TideSaint
I could honestly see trading Ingram straight up for a 2nd round pick.
I still do not see an option of moving up and then using the 1st pick for the Saints in the 1st round on a RB. We have to go defense.
Now if we offer Ingram and the #11 to move up for Soloman Thomas I'm okay with that.
I still do not see an option of moving up and then using the 1st pick for the Saints in the 1st round on a RB. We have to go defense.
Now if we offer Ingram and the #11 to move up for Soloman Thomas I'm okay with that.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 4:12 pm to tigersbb
Hell yeah! Ap and Lf7 on one team... Unstoppabe with drew and crew!
Posted on 4/25/17 at 4:12 pm to tigersbb
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Did you guys forget Ingram's hissy fit on the sidelines last year.
Didn't fournette do this last year?
Posted on 4/25/17 at 5:24 pm to tigersbb
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Did you guys forget Ingram's hissy fit on the sidelines last year. Bet Sean Payton has not forgotten.
People say this but then also say that they wouldn't mind drafting Joe Mixon
This post was edited on 4/25/17 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 4/25/17 at 8:03 pm to Jones
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Did you guys forget Ingram's hissy fit on the sidelines last year.
Didn't fournette do this last year?
When and why?
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:32 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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It's too bad Leonard Fournette doesn't play on defense, or else I would totally agree with this thread.
We need defense!
Conventional wisdom says draft a defensive player. I would be OK with that depending on how the draft plays out. If Fournette lands with Carolina it would be devestating for the Saints and NFC South. Any other team in the top 10 is fine to a point.
It is generally conceded there are maybe four Top 10 offensive players, Fournette, O J Howard, John Ross and Mike Williams. Maybe Mahomes or Turbinsky if someone really wantas a QB but they likely fall to 12 -20 range.
Same for Mcaffery or Cook unless some team just goes all in for them.
What if only two offensive players are taken in top 10, Fournette to Carolina and either Howard, Ross or Williams. Then if the 8 defensive players chosen in the top 10 includes Myles Garret, Jamal Adams, Solomon Thomas, Derrick Barnett, Marshon Lattimore, Malik Hooker, Jonathan Allen and Jordan Willis or Taco Charlton the remaining likely first round defensive players are relativley equal or have issues beyond their talent level.
Ruben foster has had recent personal conduct red flags along with a drug history. Take a chance these won't continue?
Haasan Reddick is an enticing athlete. Sow was Stephon Anthony. Reddick did not play in a top conference. Could go eithe rdirection.
Want to go defensive back? OK, Marlon Humphrey,Gareon Corley, Kevin Kiing, Tredavious White, all top talents.
But remember the Saints sordid history with first round DB picks who were either busts or injury prone.
Edge rusher? Are Jordan Willis, Carl Lawson or T J Watt worthy of Top 11 status.
This scenario shows how vulnerble the Saints could be at 11. Unless they see Mahomes or Trubinsky as the heir to Drew the chances of getting the home run pick they need is no better at 11 than it is at 32. No question there are future All Pros in that range but Fournette is more of a sure shot and drafting him keeps him away from the Panthers.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:57 am to tigersbb
I'll give you credit for a decently well worded argument. I'm not bashing you simply because I disagree with you, but your entire argument is based on the fact that you think Fournette is the second coming. That's your belief, but everyone was very high on Trent Richardson as well. The draft is a crap shoot, and you can't go all in on a player that doesn't fill a need. If you were arguing to trade Ingram + 11 to go up to attempt to get Garrett (would need much more to make that trade), then I'd understand where you were coming from. But Fournette isn't worth it when we don't need a RB. If he falls to 11, MAYBE, but even then I'm hoping that we have other good options available.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:39 am to GOON
Its not my belief Fournette is the second coming. How many backs have been predicted to be chosen in the first eight picks during the past decade?
All first round picks have the potential to be Boom or Bust. The odds of a talent like Fournette ending up like Richardson are far less than him being a top level back. Even if his best would be relative to Mark Ingram the Saints gain younger fresh legs for a back with five years of NFL wear. Fournette also has breakaway speed Ingram does not poseess.
It cannot be stressed enough that keeping Fournette out of Carolina's backfield would be huge. The combination of Newton, Benjamin and Fournette would be lethal and put even more pressure on a shaky defense twice a year. If he goes earlier to the Jets or Jaguars then its not so bad.
It must be noted that all three NFC South teams have potent offenses. Fournette would provide a more balanced ball control offense which would allow the Saints to reduce possession time for their rivals. This would be more likely to hold down the opponents scoring than would any of the likely defensive players left on the board at 11. There will still be very good defensive players left during their next four to five picks to add quality and depth to the defense.
If Fournette falls to 11 then likely even more defensive talent is gone and the pickings are even slimmer. Now it was announced one more potential has fallen as DB Gareon Conley has been charged with sexual assault.
Lets hope whatever direction they go they land a real impact player.
All first round picks have the potential to be Boom or Bust. The odds of a talent like Fournette ending up like Richardson are far less than him being a top level back. Even if his best would be relative to Mark Ingram the Saints gain younger fresh legs for a back with five years of NFL wear. Fournette also has breakaway speed Ingram does not poseess.
It cannot be stressed enough that keeping Fournette out of Carolina's backfield would be huge. The combination of Newton, Benjamin and Fournette would be lethal and put even more pressure on a shaky defense twice a year. If he goes earlier to the Jets or Jaguars then its not so bad.
It must be noted that all three NFC South teams have potent offenses. Fournette would provide a more balanced ball control offense which would allow the Saints to reduce possession time for their rivals. This would be more likely to hold down the opponents scoring than would any of the likely defensive players left on the board at 11. There will still be very good defensive players left during their next four to five picks to add quality and depth to the defense.
If Fournette falls to 11 then likely even more defensive talent is gone and the pickings are even slimmer. Now it was announced one more potential has fallen as DB Gareon Conley has been charged with sexual assault.
Lets hope whatever direction they go they land a real impact player.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:22 am to tigersbb
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How many backs have been predicted to be chosen in the first eight picks during the past decade?
Zeke Elliott
Todd Gurley
Trent Richardson
CJ Spiller
Darren McFadden
5 top ten backs in the last year.
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The odds of a talent like Fournette ending up like Richardson are far less than him being a top level back.
Statistically this is not true.
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It cannot be stressed enough that keeping Fournette out of Carolina's backfield would be huge.
Meh, I'm not as concerned about it as you are. They will still be picking a key impact player at that draft spot. No matter who they chose, they are getting a player that has the potential to impact us in a big way.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:43 am to GOON
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Zeke Elliott
Todd Gurley
Trent Richardson
CJ Spiller
Darren McFadden
5 top ten backs in the last year.
Assume you meant last decade as per my premise. Five top ten drafted backs in 10 years puts Fournette in rare company. If he fails then everyone in the NFL are wrong.
I still believe my argument is valid, but the proof will be on the field after all the picks are in. Hope they draft wisely through all rounds.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:47 am to tigersbb
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Assume you meant last decade as per my premise
Yes I did.
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Five top ten drafted backs in 10 years puts Fournette in rare company. If he fails then everyone in the NFL are wrong.
NFL was wrong about Richardson and Spiller. Hell, Felix Jones was a first round RB drafted in the last decade too.
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Hope they draft wisely through all rounds.
We all do
Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:25 am to GOON
We know there can be first round busts - Jamarcus Russel and sixth round booms- Tom Brady. Its all a crap shoot until they get on the field and make that next step.
Saints are overdue to get that really big hit in the first round. Just hope they don't reach or take a player with issues whom they believe will be a model citizen or overcome significant injury. No Ruben Foster, Gareon Corley, Kevin King .
Saints are overdue to get that really big hit in the first round. Just hope they don't reach or take a player with issues whom they believe will be a model citizen or overcome significant injury. No Ruben Foster, Gareon Corley, Kevin King .
Posted on 4/26/17 at 3:23 pm to TideSaint
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Fournette will have a similar NFL career to Trent Richardson
Lets compare in three years. Did Trent even last that long in the league?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:02 pm to GOON
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The worst thing about this board are the LSU fans that know nothing about the NFL.
Gonna know another kind of #7 in November.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:07 pm to MWP
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Gonna know another kind of #7 in November.
I assume this is an LSU/Bama thing. Wrong board.
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