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re: Why was Coach Payton on the phone with Foster before we picked?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:49 pm to bonethug0108
Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:49 pm to bonethug0108
quote:This is ridiculous even for you.
To me it seems to lead to one of two conclusions, both pretty crazy themselves but more believable than the other theories.
You either trip up his girlfriend because you've now caught them pff guard.
or
You call to let another team think you were interested (it's crazy but these things really do get out which is why it's SUPER rare for any team to call any player before the pick is on the clock) so they trade up and take him, letting a player you really want fall.
CSP even in his initial PC was distraught at having to pick Ram.
You need to take a step back from the apologist mentality and see things more clearly.
Loomis said what he had to say... no way he admits Saints flubbed thinking they had the pick when they got jumped.
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:56 pm to drizztiger
Distraught? Didn't seem that way at all.
And it ain't nothing to do with apologizing. I'm very happy we didn't get him so whether it was a frick up or not I don't care.
I'm saying the whole thing does not make any fricking sense if you try the straight explanation.
Never call a prospect before you are on the clock in over a decade and choose that moment? And to ask his girlfriend questions? That sounds super fricking fishy to me.
And it ain't nothing to do with apologizing. I'm very happy we didn't get him so whether it was a frick up or not I don't care.
I'm saying the whole thing does not make any fricking sense if you try the straight explanation.
Never call a prospect before you are on the clock in over a decade and choose that moment? And to ask his girlfriend questions? That sounds super fricking fishy to me.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 12:03 am to NOFOX
quote:
Foster said they called and asked whether he was in Louisiana, Baton Rouge, he said no Miami and then they told him to put his girlfriend on the line.
Not sure why they would ask him if he was in Baton Rouge.
ETA - Fosters girlfriend is from Baton Rouge apparently
They called to ask her if she was an LSU fan. When they found out she was, they leaked their interest in Foster so they wouldn't have to pick him. The Saints don't draft LSU players or players who have girlfriends that like LSU.
Since the Saints really planned to draft an OT and they knew Seattle needed an OT, they could have purposely leaked their interest in Foster hoping a team would trade with Seattle. This way the Saints get the OT they want before Seattle selects one. If that was their real plan, then it worked well.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 12:08 am
Posted on 5/3/17 at 12:04 am to bonethug0108
quote:Yet it's true.
Never call a prospect before you are on the clock in over a decade and choose that moment? And to ask his girlfriend questions? That sounds super fricking fishy to me.
It happened.
Do you really think Foster just made up some narrative? As I said, it's the spin now and no one will know the 100% truth. But it's easy to gather - unless you choose to be blind - that Saints wanted Foster at #32.
The rest of it is semantics.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 12:07 am to bonethug0108
Went back to watch that presser with Payton and he was not distraught at all talking about Ramcyzk, just as I remembered. Hell he stayed pretty much at that level throughout the entire thing.
I did notice something interesting and that's everytime a reporter asked a question he would try to look right at them the whole time answering it (unless thinking and looking up).
The exception was when they asked about Foster. He was constantly looking away while answering. Go rewatch if you don't believe me. I believe it starts around 7:15 ish. I didn't catch it the first time watching it, but watch him answering other questions and then come back to this one.
Payton presser
I did notice something interesting and that's everytime a reporter asked a question he would try to look right at them the whole time answering it (unless thinking and looking up).
The exception was when they asked about Foster. He was constantly looking away while answering. Go rewatch if you don't believe me. I believe it starts around 7:15 ish. I didn't catch it the first time watching it, but watch him answering other questions and then come back to this one.
Payton presser
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 12:22 am
Posted on 5/3/17 at 12:08 am to djmicrobe
quote:Lol. This is equally as plausible as Saints don't call draft prospects before their pick, but factually did, and not wanting to pick that player.
They called to ask her if she was an LSU fan. When they found out she was, they leaked their interest in Foster so they wouldn't have to pick him. The Saints don't draft LSU players or players who have girlfriends that like LSU.
OMG Saints made 49ers move up to pick Foster. You got trolled.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 12:10 am to bonethug0108
quote:And for this...
Distraught? Didn't seem that way at all.
Aloof. CSP wasn't enthusiastic at all.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 12:13 am to drizztiger
quote:
It happened
What are you not getting. I NEVER said the call didn't happen. I said it's fishy as frick that it happened in the first place, and then even more fishy to ask his girlfriend questions before they are on the clock.
Why is my point. Why would this be the first time? Why ask his girlfriend questions? That's the part that makes this seem like something else was going on.
Like I said I couldn't give a frick that it cost us Foster. I'm happy it did. If it was a mistake I'm very happy they fricked up. I wouldn't apologize about that. I would celebrate it.
But AGAIN I'm saying that makes no fricking sense whatsoever. None. Zero. Tell me why. Why would what you're saying make sense. Because it doesn't.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 12:14 am
Posted on 5/3/17 at 12:14 am to drizztiger
quote:
Aloof. CSP wasn't enthusiastic at all.
That was how he was through the ENTIRE fricking presser. He was mellow start to end.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 12:25 am to bonethug0108
quote:Explain what you think happened.
bonethug0108
Not from what Saints/Loomis/CSP glasses. What really happened?
Explain that in 2-3 paragraphs of your truth - as if you had to report on it from an objective POV.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 12:43 am to drizztiger
That was my point of view. Nothing Foster, Payton, nor Loomis said makes real sense. The "logical" explanation of they called too early doesn't make sense (why not get on the clock and then call to ask questions like they've done EVERY other year?).
So my explanation of what I think happened, given the little we do know, is either they started to consider Foster as a possible pick last minute because the value was extreme but then wanted to see if they could find a reason not to take him.
or
They never wanted Foster and created a perceived want possibly knowing SF would have taken him extremely high. Seattle is a threat to take the tackle they had rated top 15. Forcing a trade into that spot by acting like they want Foster just before they get on the clock ensures Seattle doesn't snipe their real pick. And if the gamble doesn't work you just take that unnamed player you were looking at.
Now I'll ask again, why would this be the first time in over a decade they call a pick before they are on the clock? I'm not asking IF it happened. I know it happened. Why did it happen? If your answer is because they were careless or stupid I don't buy that because Payton is meticulous and paranoid. Give me something else because I can't see it.
And then why ask his girlfriend questions during the draft? I have only one explanation. Is there another one?
So my explanation of what I think happened, given the little we do know, is either they started to consider Foster as a possible pick last minute because the value was extreme but then wanted to see if they could find a reason not to take him.
or
They never wanted Foster and created a perceived want possibly knowing SF would have taken him extremely high. Seattle is a threat to take the tackle they had rated top 15. Forcing a trade into that spot by acting like they want Foster just before they get on the clock ensures Seattle doesn't snipe their real pick. And if the gamble doesn't work you just take that unnamed player you were looking at.
Now I'll ask again, why would this be the first time in over a decade they call a pick before they are on the clock? I'm not asking IF it happened. I know it happened. Why did it happen? If your answer is because they were careless or stupid I don't buy that because Payton is meticulous and paranoid. Give me something else because I can't see it.
And then why ask his girlfriend questions during the draft? I have only one explanation. Is there another one?
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 12:52 am
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:21 am to bonethug0108
quote:Competing narratives would be expected.
That was my point of view. Nothing Foster, Payton, nor Loomis said makes real sense
quote:So either they decided to vet Foster at the last minute (a potential top 10 pick) /or/ they were trolling the team to pick #31 just cuz...
they started to consider Foster as a possible pick last minute because the value was extreme but then wanted to see if they could find a reason not to take him.
or
They never wanted Foster and created a perceived want possibly knowing SF would have taken him extremely high.
You can't be serious.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:28 am to drizztiger
According to everyone they were vetting him at the last minute, but no one knows what they were vetting.
And that's exactly why I don't believe that's what happened.
Now answer my questions you keep avoiding.
Edit:
And the narratives weren't really competing at all. Foster said he was on the phone with the Saints when SF called. Now we know they were talking to his girlfriend on the other line.
Payton said he ended the conversation and said they'd be in touch if they were picking him.
All of that screams smokescreen (not just the last few lines but everything as a whole). And if you don't think shite like this goes down constantly at the draft then you are very naive and have never read any real draft stories.
There is seriously crazy and dirty shite going down, from a team spreading rumors to a paper about a player's drug problems (which were completely fabricated) to teams getting players arrested to teams leaking stories just before the draft (those Mixon stories came from some team digging and leaking them after they had chance to vet first for instance) to teams leaking false medical info to all kinds of other crazy shite.
Yet you have a hard time believing a team would try to create panic to cause a team to trade up? Naive as frick.
And I'm not saying 100% that's what happened. I'm saying to think that stuff doesn't happen is having the wool pulled over your eyes.
And that's exactly why I don't believe that's what happened.
Now answer my questions you keep avoiding.
Edit:
And the narratives weren't really competing at all. Foster said he was on the phone with the Saints when SF called. Now we know they were talking to his girlfriend on the other line.
Payton said he ended the conversation and said they'd be in touch if they were picking him.
All of that screams smokescreen (not just the last few lines but everything as a whole). And if you don't think shite like this goes down constantly at the draft then you are very naive and have never read any real draft stories.
There is seriously crazy and dirty shite going down, from a team spreading rumors to a paper about a player's drug problems (which were completely fabricated) to teams getting players arrested to teams leaking stories just before the draft (those Mixon stories came from some team digging and leaking them after they had chance to vet first for instance) to teams leaking false medical info to all kinds of other crazy shite.
Yet you have a hard time believing a team would try to create panic to cause a team to trade up? Naive as frick.
And I'm not saying 100% that's what happened. I'm saying to think that stuff doesn't happen is having the wool pulled over your eyes.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 1:37 am
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:28 am to bonethug0108
I think them saying they were vetting is just a cover. I think they got super excited that he was still there and they couldn't wait their turn. They called him early to talk to his girlfriend because she is a LA native and they think she/they will be happy to be in LA but it blows up in their faces.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 11:22 am
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:03 am to bonethug0108
quote:
Nothing Foster, Payton, nor Loomis said makes real sense.
Two of these gentleman are intelligent enough to fabricate a cover story, the other has the story fabrication capacity of a pit bull
quote:
They never wanted Foster and created a perceived want possibly knowing SF would have taken him extremely high. Seattle is a threat to take the tackle they had rated top 15. Forcing a trade into that spot by acting like they want Foster just before they get on the clock ensures Seattle doesn't snipe their real pick.
This is a big reach. For one, the phones aren't bugged. It's not like everyone got an email notifying them that the saints had phoned Foster. Secondly, it's understood at that point who the top player on everyone's board is, there's no need for a "perceived want." Seattle didn't need the top player on the board because they're stacked at the position. This is something that the saints should've recognized, that Seattle would be shopping the pick. They were able to trade back a few spots knowing that they would still have a highly rated player available and they could acquire more picks, something they needed. It wasn't a secret that the niners wanted Foster, they tried to trade in front of Cincinnati and then again in front of Baltimore to no avail. The saints jumped the gun, simple as that.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:07 am
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:07 am to bonethug0108
quote:
and to talk to his girlfriend it all seems very staged as if they knew someone would catch wind and jump.
that makes zero sense, they were literally minutes away from being on the clock.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:26 am to Telephone Tough Guy
They were not vetting at all. They asked Foster to put his girlfriend on the line and Coach Payton was asking the girlfriend if she was ready to be supportive and give guidance to Foster etc , while Coach is asking these questions a call comes through and it is John Lynch letting Foster know he is a 49er. Per Peter King this all happened with seconds left of Seattle being on the clock.
What I think happened is Saints thought Foster was in the bag and Seattle was taking Ram. Coach jumped the gun and called Foster as they were that certain Seattle wasn't taking Foster.
What I think happened is Saints thought Foster was in the bag and Seattle was taking Ram. Coach jumped the gun and called Foster as they were that certain Seattle wasn't taking Foster.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:33 am to martiallaw
Well here's my issue with this then.
Us calling with seconds left means the trade was in the works before we called and likely made before we called. So we didn't frick up if that's really the case.
Secondly, people knocking holes in the theory of us calling to intentional tip our hand dismiss it as crazy because teams don't know who's calling who, but then say we fricked up calling early because then the 9ers somehow knew we were about to take him. Which fricking way do you want it?
So if that is the case then this is just much ado about nothing.
Us calling with seconds left means the trade was in the works before we called and likely made before we called. So we didn't frick up if that's really the case.
Secondly, people knocking holes in the theory of us calling to intentional tip our hand dismiss it as crazy because teams don't know who's calling who, but then say we fricked up calling early because then the 9ers somehow knew we were about to take him. Which fricking way do you want it?
So if that is the case then this is just much ado about nothing.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:37 am to bonethug0108
quote:That is a huge assumption and possibly incorrect. I seem to recall a story a while back about us on the phone with someone when another team picked the player.
Now I'll ask again, why would this be the first time in over a decade they call a pick before they are on the clock?
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