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re: USA today gets the Graham trade...
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:13 pm to kiNupe5
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:13 pm to kiNupe5
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Your team decided to start building around a 36 year old quarterback this off season
That 36 year old is still producing at a very high level. Give him a good OL and he is deadly.
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:19 pm to goatmilker
well seeing that he will probably go down as the #1 TE in nfl history who would you really compare him to? Sport, and yea he throws darts.....to Jimmy Graham duh lol, you just took his top receiver away and made it a hell of a lot easier to draw up the scouting report. No jimmy so now when we play seattle, new england, carolina, instead of tying up their top corner on Jimmy they can now use that to shut down our mediocre receiving core. Furthermore what fans are missing is just that fact, yea graham was less productive when you placed a corner on him but it was usually their best corner and "SHOULD" have allowed our receivers to make plays so if anybody disappeared it was the guys who didn't capitalize on grahams presence.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:19 pm to kiNupe5
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the time to build around drew has come and gone, building around drew doesn't even give younger players 2-3 years to evolve its basically a right here right now thing. Drew isn't a spring chicken man, is this the "Let build around Drew 'AGAIN" campaign?
We're fixing our investment in the offensive line. It really isn't difficult to comprehend
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Its way easier to trade players during the season than the off season, in the off season you're basically saying trade with us or he'll be ava through FA for you to talk to 3 days later.
Holy crap
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You should also compare statistics, Cj averages 1300 per season over the course of his career, Jimmy give you 1k easily when healthy.
I've compared their stats. And I love how you use averages and then compare him to a healthy Graham.
Calvin puts up 1,500+ yards when healthy and averages 16+ yards per catch. Calvin Johnson averages 2.55 yards per route run
I love Jimmy Graham, but he isn't Calvin Johnson. Nobody is. He isn't even the best TE in football.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:20 pm to kiNupe5
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Its way easier to trade players during the season than the off season
strongly disagree, that's why in season trades are even more rare than offseason. You don't just step into the batters box for another team. Playbooks and camps are for a reason.
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in the off season you're basically saying trade with us or he'll be ava through FA
can be very obvious sometimes (ala Reggie). I hope you cannot be suggesting such is the case here.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:22 pm to TigerBait1127
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Its way easier to trade players during the season than the off season, in the off season you're basically saying trade with us or he'll be ava through FA for you to talk to 3 days later.
Holy crap
They asked who wanted to trade for lofton and then released him to go to any team that could have possibly been interested. Why am I arguing with you dude, keep stick to franchise mode.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:24 pm to kiNupe5
It is not easier to make an inseason trade than an offseason trade.
You don't understand the salary cap, contract structures, or how the NFL works in general
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Why am I arguing with you dude, keep stick to franchise mode.
You don't understand the salary cap, contract structures, or how the NFL works in general
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:24 pm to blueslover
no was referring to lofton and the other guys they were supposedly shopping. When teams know you're over the cap and can't keep them the only thing trading them does for the other team is guarantee they get them as opposed to the player getting to choose when released. Would you buy milk if you new it was going on sale tomorrow? lol
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:25 pm to TigerBait1127
no comment, I dont think we'll ever intellectually mesh so why bother. Next
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:26 pm to kiNupe5
Still waiting for the team in all of NFL history that was built around a TE slick?
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:26 pm to kiNupe5
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no comment, I dont think we'll ever intellectually mesh so why bother. Next
I agree. I actually know what I'm talking about.
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Still waiting for the team in all of NFL history that was built around a TE slick?
but he's calvin johnson, who needs an offensive line?This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:34 pm to kiNupe5
You REALLY don't get it. First, no one thought Lofton was worth even close to that contract. We didn't think he was (sadly too late). So he was released.
Hawthorne was being shopped but no one thought he was worth his contract. He took a pay cut to avoid being released.
Graham was not originally being shopped (Saints asked about Unger and Seahawks eventually asked for Graham). He was not going to just be released to save $2m. That's not value. We could release Rafa Bush to save that if it was just about money.
Bush was being shopped and despite the fact that everyone knew he was going going going released the Dolphins bit. Why? Because just because a player is getting real doesn't mean you will be able to get him. This guaranteed the Dolphins that they would get him and with no bidding war.
Sproles: see Bush.
And then there are trade talks you never hear about because they don't happen. These are usually big time players (like Graham) and people are just checking what they may get.
Do you think we would have heard Graham was being shopped if the trade never happened? No. That's why it was blind siding. Word was never slightly out until it was done.
And you are STILL ignoring the fact that the trade lost us cap so was clearly not about getting under the cap.
Hawthorne was being shopped but no one thought he was worth his contract. He took a pay cut to avoid being released.
Graham was not originally being shopped (Saints asked about Unger and Seahawks eventually asked for Graham). He was not going to just be released to save $2m. That's not value. We could release Rafa Bush to save that if it was just about money.
Bush was being shopped and despite the fact that everyone knew he was going going going released the Dolphins bit. Why? Because just because a player is getting real doesn't mean you will be able to get him. This guaranteed the Dolphins that they would get him and with no bidding war.
Sproles: see Bush.
And then there are trade talks you never hear about because they don't happen. These are usually big time players (like Graham) and people are just checking what they may get.
Do you think we would have heard Graham was being shopped if the trade never happened? No. That's why it was blind siding. Word was never slightly out until it was done.
And you are STILL ignoring the fact that the trade lost us cap so was clearly not about getting under the cap.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:34 pm to goatmilker
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Still waiting for the team in all of NFL history that was built around a TE slick?
and I repeat you cant compare any TE in history to what Graham has done so he's in a league of his own. Do the pats win the SB without Gronk? Better yet are the saints going to win a Sb this season. You know Elway is the oldest to win a SB maybe that's the record Drews really going after. Your loyalty to Drew blinds you man. Im a saints fan not just a drew fan
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:34 pm to adamb2151
If you can keep the pocket clean Drew can get the ball to anyone.
Our top receivers in 2009 were Colton, Old Shockey, Henderson, and Meachum.
Filling a hole like C with an elite player, and getting another first round pick is huge. We have a lot of issues to fill, and I was worried we were going to just have huge gaps after the draft.
Overall not a terrible trade. Jimmy Will be missed, but you have to be ruthless to win. The Pats don't think twice about this kind of stuff.
Our top receivers in 2009 were Colton, Old Shockey, Henderson, and Meachum.
Filling a hole like C with an elite player, and getting another first round pick is huge. We have a lot of issues to fill, and I was worried we were going to just have huge gaps after the draft.
Overall not a terrible trade. Jimmy Will be missed, but you have to be ruthless to win. The Pats don't think twice about this kind of stuff.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:38 pm to bonethug0108
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And then there are trade talks you never hear about because they don't happen. These are usually big time players (like Graham) and people are just checking what they may get.
you dont hear about it because they don't happen just as I said in a previous post and especially after you just 'reworked' the contracts of the entire team last off season to resign the guy.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:40 pm to kiNupe5
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Better yet are the saints going to win a Sb this season.
I think the Saints have a better shot by adding a solid #2 corner and having a good offensive line instead of Jimmy's contract.
Games are won in the trenches. Jimmy is a great player and may even be a HOFer, but running the football and protecting the QB are the most important things on offense
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Do the pats win the SB without Gronk?
They looked terrible this year until they gave Brady time to throw. Once they fixed their interior line, Brady and Gronk both shined.
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You know Elway is the oldest to win a SB maybe that's the record Drews really going after.
Didn't Tom just win the Super Bowl at 37 years old?
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:42 pm to kiNupe5
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Im a saints fan not just a drew fan
Well thanks for ruining a great f@cking day.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:43 pm to TigerBait1127
Elway was 38, that gives your rebuilding plan 2 whole years lol. Oh I forgot you're going to extend him next season to spread the cap hit so maybe hell go strait through 50
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:43 pm to bonethug0108
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First, no one thought Lofton was worth even close to that contract.
The Raiders did.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:44 pm to goatmilker
blame your job, not me
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:45 pm to THRILLHO
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The Raiders did.
They dont get it, why bother arguing with the congregation of Breesus
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