re: Trading out of the first round

Not about totality number, if we traded down into 2nd, I woukdnt mind packaging our 5s to move up as well

If we drop lets drop like a man and get a very valuable 2nd pick. I think the talent pool is very muddied in the 2nd

I wish we had three in the 2nd.
Somehow.
A very good WR'r OLB'er and a top pick of centre's could be had.

Possible but my idea/post was that in the second round we would have our pick of the top rated center in the 2014 draft.
If we wait till the 3rd this will most likely not be the case.

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I don't think the saints are prioritizing the center position that much to use a top 3 round pick

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Agreed. Marcus Martin MAYBE in the 3rd just because of the big hole at C... Otherwise Stork in the 4th is much more likely...

Trading up has not worked too well for us. Every year I want to trade down in the first or out of the first unless someone we really want falls in our lap.
It would be nice if someone listed our first and 2nd rounders under Payton to see how well our picks have been in each round.
IF we pick better in the 2nd, then drop down. IF we have good luck in the 1st, then take what's there.

We lost two to bounty farce. Another in the Ingram trade.

Those were 2011 (Ingram), 2012, and 2013 (the last two bounty).

What happened to 2007 and 2009? Was 2007 Ellis?

Damn I forgot Shockey was for a 2nd(and a 5th) rounder. Giants didn't get jack with either pick.

We got Usama Young and David Jones with the Lions picks in 2007(also made 3 other trades that day). Bleh. Lions got Ikaika Alama-Francis which was even worse.

Ellis was a swap of 1sts and our 3rd for their 5th in 2008.

Ranking our 2nd round pick use under Payton I'd have to go(year pick was from):
Harper(06)
Porter(08)
Shockey(09)
Ingram(11)
Young/Jones(07)
Bounty(13)
Bounty(12)
Brown(10)

frick Charlie Brown. I knew he was going to frick us over. I called it all offseason(and was screaming for a trade up to get a top LT, but hey, Armstead ) and then he had to go and play well in preseason giving me the slightest bit of hope that he wouldn't frick us over. And then he fricked us over.

I would rather have no pick than Charlie Brown.

Also, I rated the 2012 bounty pick lower because I was still seething mad during that draft. 2013 was the return of Payton and the revenge tour.

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I just find it strange that they're so good with late round picks and UFAs yet miss the mark so often in the early rounds. Very strange.

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Speaking strictly draft, trust me that's a bit off a myth. The 2006(and now 2013) drafts help propel it.

LINK

Guys that have played significant roles for at least 2 years with us with 2013 added in anyway(quality can be questioned):

1-3
Bush(1st)
Harper(2nd)
Meachem(1st)
Ellis(1st)
Porter(2nd)
Jenkins(1st)
Robinson(1st)
Graham(3rd)
Jordan(1st)
Ingram(1st)
Hicks(3rd)
Vaccaro(1st)
Armstead(3rd)
Jenkins(3rd)

4-7
Evans(4th)
Strief(7th)
Colston(7th)
Bushrod(4th)
Nicks(5th w/1st round talent)
Morstead(5th and punters always go late)
White(5th)
Stills(5th)

That's 14-8. Adding the 3rd rounders to the later rounds makes it 10-12. Keeping in mind that Morstead is a punter and Nicks was a 1st round talent, that's basically a wash if you split 1-2 and 3-7. If you keep it 1-3 and 4-7 it's a clear advantage for the top half.

Now add in the fact that we only used 3 out of 8 2nd rounders(down 5 2nd rounders) to actually pick someone at that spot and that's pretty good for the top 3 rounds considering.

So yes we do hit later, but not as much as earlier especially given the number of picks in 1-3 vs. 4-7, and damn sure not as much as people think we do.

Now if you want to talk UDFAs, hell yeah we do great with those.