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Posted on 9/9/14 at 7:41 am to Starchild
Posted on 9/9/14 at 7:41 am to Starchild
they don't, and it doesn't matter
every single journalist was told by the NFL that they had reviewed the tape
Mortensen went as far as getting a detailed description and putting it to print. This cannot be undone...the NFL is lying. Worse, they willfully and knowingly engaged in a smear campaign against a victim of domestic violence. They interviewed her with Ray Rice present, which is highly inappropriate...I could go on all day.
we're really going to test the brand invincibility of the NFL here. Everyone knows what they did, regardless of whether they're willing to pretend it didn't happen. Question is, are we willing to pretend it didn't happen
will be interesting to see
every single journalist was told by the NFL that they had reviewed the tape
Mortensen went as far as getting a detailed description and putting it to print. This cannot be undone...the NFL is lying. Worse, they willfully and knowingly engaged in a smear campaign against a victim of domestic violence. They interviewed her with Ray Rice present, which is highly inappropriate...I could go on all day.
we're really going to test the brand invincibility of the NFL here. Everyone knows what they did, regardless of whether they're willing to pretend it didn't happen. Question is, are we willing to pretend it didn't happen
will be interesting to see
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Posted on 9/9/14 at 7:50 am to DelU249
I found my old arse twitter account to tweet to mikeandmikes lame arse that is ray rice would have put a bounty on her he'd had a harsher initial penalty.
Mother frickers
Mother frickers
Posted on 9/9/14 at 8:25 am to goatmilker
I don't think there are any real bones, other than the ones he has buried
the league has zero integrity or credibility under goodell.
he's lying. He's been caught lying, and what does he do? doubles down on lying
he is a PR smear artist. It's the only thing he's done since he's been in the league
the league has zero integrity or credibility under goodell.
he's lying. He's been caught lying, and what does he do? doubles down on lying
he is a PR smear artist. It's the only thing he's done since he's been in the league
Posted on 9/9/14 at 8:52 am to DelU249
It's not Goodell's fault, his decision-making ability was impeded by the effects of the ice bucket challenge.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:03 am to DelU249
The only way for the owners and league to save credibility is to fire Goodell. The interim commissioner has to be Tagliabue. That move would bring credibility back to the NFL.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:06 am to mark65mc
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The only way for the owners and league to save credibility is to fire Goodell. The interim commissioner has to be Tagliabue. That move would bring credibility back to the NFL.
probably the only good move at this point, they'll survive this obviously without a nickel lost, but now the relationship between the fans is irreparable
the media might heel, but we all know what he did, and we'll never believe another word out of NYC...this resentment is the first step in declining interest and revenue...I'm telling you in 10 years, the NFL isn't going to be the juggernaut it is now, and it is shite like this that will be their undoing
I don't think the NFL is as strong as it was 8 years ago. the momentum from Tagliabue's work is still carrying the revenue up, but the interest is starting to decline.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:14 am to DelU249
Goodell is the new teflon don . Nothing wil happen to him ...unfortunatly
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:08 am to DelU249
FM: do you think that Roger Goodell's obvious manipulation of the media and his heavy handed and orchestrated responses during Bountygate exposed his true self, making him vunerable to all the criticism he is receiving now? That he showed his hand so much and so often in his media campaign to demonize Payton and The Saints that everyone now knows how he operates?
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Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:26 am to DelU249
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every single journalist was told by the NFL that they had reviewed the tape
What trips me out is that they had to have known that Harvey Levin/TMZ was on this. There was no way this wasn't coming out.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:26 am to Ldrake53
absolutely, whether people realize it or not, they are interconnected
bountygate destroyed his credibility and had people questioning the motives, tactics and day to day dealings of the NFL
that's why no one believes him except his two biggest lackeys (peter king and florio)
that, and he's been caught red handed in a lie
you put it quite well, it's impossible to not look at this through the prism of bountygate
bountygate destroyed his credibility and had people questioning the motives, tactics and day to day dealings of the NFL
that's why no one believes him except his two biggest lackeys (peter king and florio)
that, and he's been caught red handed in a lie
you put it quite well, it's impossible to not look at this through the prism of bountygate
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:41 am to DelU249
There is no way Florio believes him; he is just choosing to ignore his self proclaimed bullshite meter for crass and mercenary reasons. King as well.
I know we shouldnt hold out much hope that the sports media will do the right thing, and report fairly on Goodells craven self interest over justice, but damn, don't these people have any self respect?
I know we shouldnt hold out much hope that the sports media will do the right thing, and report fairly on Goodells craven self interest over justice, but damn, don't these people have any self respect?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:49 am to Ldrake53
florio is so full of shite, he told me he took bountygate at first because he couldn't see a motive for the NFL to blow the whistle on themselves...really?
then here, he is just accepting what he's told despite not having ONE good journalistic reason to. He's close with peter king, a known league mouthpiece. If you're familiar with his work (been on PFT since 04) you know he's towing the line...no way given his history he believes what he has been writing...it's sad because PFT was hands down the best NFL site...the best.
their choices are pretty terrible. Admit to faulty info and take it, lose credibility, or blast them. There's really no middle ground to take for them. Schefter is stepping up and I respect the hell out of him. I actually just gained a whole lot of lost respect for ESPN period. Mort is trying to wiggle out amicably, but he's in the worst position. Read his reports from last month...the league saw those tapes. Not one doubt in my mind, and they have 100% beyond a reasonable doubt lied. either they said they saw it and didn't (yet still worked the PR strings as if the video was gracious to RR) or they saw it and are now saying they did
you can't undo the print from last month. They all reported it (mort in exceptional detail)
then here, he is just accepting what he's told despite not having ONE good journalistic reason to. He's close with peter king, a known league mouthpiece. If you're familiar with his work (been on PFT since 04) you know he's towing the line...no way given his history he believes what he has been writing...it's sad because PFT was hands down the best NFL site...the best.
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know we shouldnt hold out much hope that the sports media will do the right thing
their choices are pretty terrible. Admit to faulty info and take it, lose credibility, or blast them. There's really no middle ground to take for them. Schefter is stepping up and I respect the hell out of him. I actually just gained a whole lot of lost respect for ESPN period. Mort is trying to wiggle out amicably, but he's in the worst position. Read his reports from last month...the league saw those tapes. Not one doubt in my mind, and they have 100% beyond a reasonable doubt lied. either they said they saw it and didn't (yet still worked the PR strings as if the video was gracious to RR) or they saw it and are now saying they did
you can't undo the print from last month. They all reported it (mort in exceptional detail)
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:51 am to DelU249
I would gain a whole lot of respect for a lot of people, if they'd refuse their orders this time around. Bountygate is one thing...this is a matter of moral fiber in addition to integrity/ethics...I'm considering being done with it all, if the media doesn't at least pursue this until the end.
I expect goodell to lie, he's the leach ruining something I care about. I want him gone. If everyone is willing to turn a 100% blind eye to it, I'm finished with every bit of it...fantasy football, sunday ticket, etc.
I expect goodell to lie, he's the leach ruining something I care about. I want him gone. If everyone is willing to turn a 100% blind eye to it, I'm finished with every bit of it...fantasy football, sunday ticket, etc.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:59 am to DelU249
The most cogent argument you make is that in reality the NFL hired a PR man, a spin doctor, to run a gazillion dollar business; Tags as an attorney was trained to look at issues from every angle. Goodell is blinded by both hubris and the lessons he learned in Marketing 101. The complexities of navigating such a business in today's environment are beyond him.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:04 pm to Ldrake53
I make a lot of cogent arguments, I've made that argument since spygate he doesn't know shite about business, growing revenue, maximizing profits, business strategy shite...he only knows marketing
and it's so funny that he sucks so bad at it...there is almost no long term plan...he gets busted with a lie, make another one, paste some shite together
when I lie, I consider all of the rebuttals and contradictions...you know, because I know I'm lying and the only thing worse is being caught in a lie.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:26 pm to DelU249
Goodell growing revenue = make Katy Perry pay for SB performance.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:37 pm to Ldrake53
yeah, that's a great instance of what I'm talking about
He's not looking at a shift to PPV broadcasts and selling the advertisements themselves (vertical integration), he doesn't know how to expand internationally without hosting games in London or trying to move a team overseas, he doesn't know shite...it's lets get a cut of their tour, let's put wi fi in the stadiums, and on and on, let's attract women by putting pink on the field (derp), and on and on with immaterial ways of growing. Let's change overtime, let's make XPs further out, let's have safety conscious rules. the one thing he shouldn't mess with is the product. Tags and the CC already did an adjustment in 04 that was big...minor changes, to one aspect. He's just trying to make a mark for the sake of it.
I'm not saying my ideas are good, but goodell has not contributed one iota to the popularity and growth of the league...he's hurt it, and it's a matter of time before the numbers show
He's not looking at a shift to PPV broadcasts and selling the advertisements themselves (vertical integration), he doesn't know how to expand internationally without hosting games in London or trying to move a team overseas, he doesn't know shite...it's lets get a cut of their tour, let's put wi fi in the stadiums, and on and on, let's attract women by putting pink on the field (derp), and on and on with immaterial ways of growing. Let's change overtime, let's make XPs further out, let's have safety conscious rules. the one thing he shouldn't mess with is the product. Tags and the CC already did an adjustment in 04 that was big...minor changes, to one aspect. He's just trying to make a mark for the sake of it.
I'm not saying my ideas are good, but goodell has not contributed one iota to the popularity and growth of the league...he's hurt it, and it's a matter of time before the numbers show
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:45 pm to DelU249
as far as how much he's damaged the league
2006 - united way commercials
2014 - suspensions, bountygate, violence, drugs
he's been a disaster in his area of "expertise"
2006 - united way commercials
2014 - suspensions, bountygate, violence, drugs
he's been a disaster in his area of "expertise"
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:56 pm to DelU249
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he doesn't know how to expand internationally without hosting games in London or trying to move a team overseas
Exactly. The easiest way to expand international interest in American Football would be to simplify the game. Yet all the league has done during the Goodell tenure is complicate the games (in-game rules-wise) to the point where it's nearly impossible to figure out what's going on in a game unless you're a dyed in the wool football fan. If i'm some random dude in Germany possibly interested in American Football, i'd watch one pre-season game and be like, "frick this shite."
I know i'm not the only one who got exasperated trying to explain the "new" overtime rules -- again -- to his wife this past Sunday, only to be greeted with blank stares.
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