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so many ways loomis fricked this up

1. he waited...which not only upped the price but left us unable to retain nicks
2. he gave tons of shite contracts beforehand. Yeah, he didn't know manning was going to sign a monster deal, but it's his job to plan for shite like that
3. reason with him, pay him the same, but tell him you cannot go down for 20 in the first 2 seasons because I'm a retard with a history of giving mediocre to below average players monster deals


that's what it cost to keep him and yes you do it, but everything else was fricked. This is before we get to the part where I tell you only one qb gets that money because he will drag your team to 13 wins every year...and that qb isn't drew brees.

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i want in on this.


Now.


What the frick are you saying?

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At the biggest contract ever for a guard? And you bitch about Brees contract. Holy sh!t.

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franchise tag. I'm not bitching about drew. I'm bitching about loomis. Once you have drew on the books you have a year to get something done with nicks, and our run game went to shite the moment nicks left. why? he is the best guard in the NFL...too bad Tampa is nasty as shite

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How the f@ck do you plan for that which you don't know is going to be paid by another team? Can't wait to hear this.

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this goes under the heading of not waiting until the last fricking second. He knew the colts were about to make manning the highest paid player, and he fricking sat on it. Fine, want to wait it out...I'm sure drew did. great, but his shite contracts to players like smith, grant, harper over the years fricked us. and not getting it done soon enough really fricked us. If you're going to wait until the last possible second, at least have your shite in order.

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To take less than the market says

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I'm fine with paying drew...he is no manning, despite all of my wishes, but at least have your ducks in a row...loomis waited until the last possible second and still

Loomis got drew for the lowest amount possible. THere are probably many more organizations that would have paid a bit more to have avoided the pr drama that went on.

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for that money, a qb needs to carry the team...manning does it, brees doesn't. He's still great, just not worth that kind of annual dough in terms of performance.

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So we let Brees walk? Then who plays? Ryan Griffin?

It turned out to be peanuts. I can't help you either.
I stand by "peanuts" when comparing what he was getting paid compared to others. Just asked J Russell and that QB that can't get it done in detroit.

Peanuts.

It does set the franchise back

It is a cap killer

However, it would be more manageable without all the other shite

I'm fine with paying him that because we suck balls and the fanbase would be devestated if he left, but let's stop pretending that contract isn't a detriment

He has 3-4 more years left in him and he isn't getting another monster deal from us. Time to start planning for the future

Drew is still great, but the saints are not winning another title with that contract on the books with the current cap. Good for drew, I'd have done the same. But it all falls on him,
He is the team, that's what he wanted. When the team fails it's drew's fault. Oh the defense, the line, the receivers...drew's fault. He wants another championship it has to be all him.

No more bullshite, working hard, etc. Everytime he takes a sack because we spend nothing at the tackle positions, it's on him.

We lost because drew didn't do enough. Given his cap figure, enough is nothing short of excellence.

Saying "no"

frick, at least bluff

I know I know. The shel school of negotiation. Give them what they want because you've left every other option off the table

Personally, I'd say no, franchise him. Let him hold out, look like a jackass and hit his pristine image.

I love how saying "no" is never an option. We didn't do dick with him at that absurd number and we're about 3 years away from life after drew anyway.

Easy bro. Let's bring this back to a hypothetical Gordon far thread. I've been on the trade for Gordon train for awhile.

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It's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact.

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since its you saying this, I like our chances. You're almost always wrong

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I know I know. The shel school of negotiation. Give them what they want because you've left every other option off the table

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What gives you that idea?

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frick, at least bluff

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You don't think we did?

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Personally, I'd say no, franchise him. Let him hold out, look like a jackass and hit his pristine image.

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And then 1 year later, we're in the same boat and signing him to the same exactly deal, but at a worst value because he's 1 year older?

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I love how saying "no" is never an option

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So, are you insinuating that at the time, not signing him to the current deal was a better option? That's what I'm reading, correct me if I'm wrong?

If his current deal is a "detriment", and you are saying we could have said "no", I take that to mean saying "no" would have been not as a big of a detriment.

So....