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Posted on 4/18/16 at 7:32 pm to Mr. Hangover
Honestly would have no problem taking a QB if Peyton thought he was the guy of the future. He can sit behind Brees for awhile no problem....
However, what irks me is why in the f*** did we waste a 3rd round pick on Grayson then?
However, what irks me is why in the f*** did we waste a 3rd round pick on Grayson then?
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 4/18/16 at 7:35 pm to Jizzy08
it will be fun thinking of the early draft picks we could have had watching Grayson and Lynch with their clipboards....as Brees continues to ball and our defense continues to suck.
We can draft our future QB with a first round pick when it's time for Brees to retire.
Let's be real, it's like 90% that Brees will be here for a few more years. Let's draft players with our early picks that can make an impact now.
We can draft our future QB with a first round pick when it's time for Brees to retire.
Let's be real, it's like 90% that Brees will be here for a few more years. Let's draft players with our early picks that can make an impact now.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 7:35 pm to BJones
Grayson was and will always be an awful pick
Posted on 4/18/16 at 7:39 pm to BJones
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However, what irks me is why in the f*** did we waste a 3rd pick on Grayson then?
Now this, this is a different story. I was never an advocate of a QB last year as I felt it was too early. I do agree it is and will be a wasted pick.
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it will be fun thinking of the early draft picks we could have had watching Grayson and Lynch with their clipboards....as Brees continues to ball and our defense continues to suck.
Oh yeah, cause the defense is such an easy fix. Fact is this isn't a one year fix. No defensive player we take in the 1st is going to transform this defense from worst of all time to competent, at least in the time frame Drew has left. Also, say we take a QB at 12. Why can't we take defense at other picks? You're making it seem like the 1st round is the only round that matters. There are solid defensive players we can get in the 2+ round range.
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We can draft our future QB with a first round pick when it's time for Brees to retire
Again, waiting until you HAVE to is a risky play. Sure it might work out, but a majority of the time you wind up with a bad situation where you're forcing players who aren't ready to start and stunts their potential and development. Then you're stuck in QB limbo. Or year after year with a top 10 pick you're hoping you can get "that guy". Is that really what you want? If Payton feels drafting Lynch (OR Wentz) now gives us the best shot to stay competitive post-Brees, I can't really argue with that.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:00 pm to PurpleDrank18
Grayson was a horrible pick. Wasting a 3rd was just utter stupidity.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:10 pm to tigerbait3488
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Grayson was a horrible pick. Wasting a 3rd was just utter stupidity
Yeah he can't tackle for shite
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:12 pm to PurpleDrank18
If we hit on two picks in the first three rounds, it absolutely could transform our D in the next 1-2 years.
...the other rounds matter but the 12th pick is weighted for obvious reasons. First three rounds weighted much more than others. Likelihood of landing a starter is much higher. You understand this, I know. We shouldn't waste an early round pick.
What if we land another Cam Jordan...or heaven forbid, a Von Miller (I know he was the second pick), but a great pass rusher or LB could change the D.
Or maybe a Terron Armstead equivalent at G in the third round. Will we nail these picks? probably not, but two QBs in the first three rounds two years in a row who have no chance to get on the field for at least two seasons is asinine.
We'd be shooting ourselves in the foot, closing the window on our own. Doing the job for Father Time before it's time.
...the other rounds matter but the 12th pick is weighted for obvious reasons. First three rounds weighted much more than others. Likelihood of landing a starter is much higher. You understand this, I know. We shouldn't waste an early round pick.
What if we land another Cam Jordan...or heaven forbid, a Von Miller (I know he was the second pick), but a great pass rusher or LB could change the D.
Or maybe a Terron Armstead equivalent at G in the third round. Will we nail these picks? probably not, but two QBs in the first three rounds two years in a row who have no chance to get on the field for at least two seasons is asinine.
We'd be shooting ourselves in the foot, closing the window on our own. Doing the job for Father Time before it's time.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:17 pm to drake20
Paxton Lynch is the guy though right? Not any of the guys that are top 3 picks in every draft. We'll have an opportunity at those guys when Brees is done, and I trust Payton to handle that well.
Not to mention, we'll never be like the Rams because of Payton. He can run a solid offense with an average QB. I believe that.
Not to mention, we'll never be like the Rams because of Payton. He can run a solid offense with an average QB. I believe that.
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Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:30 pm to drake20
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If we hit on two picks in the first three rounds, it absolutely could transform our D in the next 1-2 years.
That's a big if. And assume we do, by the time those guys are impacts enough to transform this defense, the Brees window will have all but been shut. Honestly the only "impact" guys I see in this draft that would most likely be available are Lawson and possibly Rankins. To use your Von example. You're right he was the #2 overall pick, and honestly that makes a huge difference. To make that comparable you'd have to assume that Ramsey, Bosa, Jack or Buckner would be available, as those are the only defensive players even close to his level now and as a prospect back when. And those guys are not falling to 12. (If Jack does that's because about 10 other teams felt his medical red flags were to worrisome, and that bothers me.)
I will also say this. Let's assume our first round defensive pick takes 2-3 years to fully blossom (not an outrageous claim by any stretch). Let's also say in another reality we take Lynch, and he sits behind Brees for 2-3 years. If they were both to reach their potential after a couple of years I guarantee Lynch would be more valuable to this team than said defensive player. And said defensive player would not have done enough in those first couple years to truly change this team to the point that it gives Brees one more shot at a SB in a possibly already closed window.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:32 pm to PurpleDrank18
Very solid post
Regardless, I can't wait for the draft
Regardless, I can't wait for the draft
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:37 pm to Mr. Hangover
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Regardless, I can't wait for the draft
Ditto, it's one of my favorite times of the year. Everybody has different opinions and it makes for great debate.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:42 pm to Jizzy08
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What happens to Grayson? Wasted 3rd rounder?
I guessguess, but 32/32 teams would say a 1st and a 3rd are worth giving up if you end up with a 10-12 year starter at qb
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:43 pm to PurpleDrank18
I like Spence and Kemdechee (sp?) but prob not at 12
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:44 pm to drake20
And if you want my super honest opinion, Drake, here it is. While this may not be the popular, fun or optimistic opinion, I do believe our window is over. At least the SB Window.
With the right moves and hitting on early picks in the next year or two I think we can still be competitive in the division, and possibly give some teams trouble in playoffs (again IF a lot of right moves are made). But I don't think this is a SB team constructed as is, especially the more years that go by with Drew getting older and older. And I don't think any rookie, regardless of position is going to do enough in the next 2-3 years to change that.
Again, just my belief. I hope on everything im wrong, and I'll be glad if I am. But I don't think I am, unfortunately.
With the right moves and hitting on early picks in the next year or two I think we can still be competitive in the division, and possibly give some teams trouble in playoffs (again IF a lot of right moves are made). But I don't think this is a SB team constructed as is, especially the more years that go by with Drew getting older and older. And I don't think any rookie, regardless of position is going to do enough in the next 2-3 years to change that.
Again, just my belief. I hope on everything im wrong, and I'll be glad if I am. But I don't think I am, unfortunately.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:46 pm to PurpleDrank18
I must say Lynch has an incredible skill set. Any QB needy team passing on him is mildly retarded.
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Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:47 pm to PurpleDrank18
We could get a guy that makes a significant impact right away. It happens all the time.
It's not extremely likely, but it's a lot more likely than Paxton Lynch having any significance for this team ever. And certainly not in the next 3 years.
It's not extremely likely, but it's a lot more likely than Paxton Lynch having any significance for this team ever. And certainly not in the next 3 years.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:52 pm to PurpleDrank18
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And if you want my super honest opinion, Drake, here it is. While this may not be the popular, fun or optimistic opinion, I do believe our window is over. At least the SB Window.
With the right moves and hitting on early picks in the next year or two I think we can still be competitive in the division, and possibly give some teams trouble in playoffs (again IF a lot of right moves are made). But I don't think this is a SB team constructed as is, especially the more years that go by with Drew getting older and older. And I don't think any rookie, regardless of position is going to do enough in the next 2-3 years to change that.
Again, just my belief. I hope on everything im wrong, and I'll be glad if I am. But I don't think I am, unfortunately.
I've actually felt this since before last season. Brees is my favorite athlete of all time but I just don't think we're gonna be able to put enough around him to make a real run for a TITLE. It would hurt like hell to draft his successor, but if they truly think Lynch has top 5 qb in nfl potential in his prime, I wouldn't mind the pick at all.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:56 pm to St Augustine
Saints have ability to put out a good ground game, need to upgrade Guard a bit, get defense better and more opportunistic and really we have just as good of shot as most. Throw in health luck and you never know.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:57 pm to drake20
Sure, we could, but there's no guarantee. Also, outside of the big 4 defenders I named (who should likely be gone at 12) who do you see at 12 that could have a legit Khalil Mack type impact as a rookie/2nd year player?. I don't see one. Maybe Lawson. But a) as I stated in my original post he's a guy I would want before Lynch, and b) there's a lot of talk that he's more of a guy that will be consistent and solid - an all-round good DE - but he lacks the upside to cross into that elite tier.
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