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re: The Pro "Draft Fournette" crew, explain something to me please.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 4:31 pm to apfour21
Posted on 10/31/16 at 4:31 pm to apfour21
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He will and there are so many teams where he is a better fit and the Saints are not one of them. He doesn't fit
It's ridiculous to say that Fournette doesn't fit this team.
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we need defenders and a guard
I don't have to talk myself into thinking that Fournette doesn't fit in order to arrive at the same conclusion that our pick would be better used for a defender or OL.
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If this exact player went to Alabama not a single person on this board would be asking for him cause it does make sense at all.
Not true. Any player being compared to Adrian Peterson makes sense. You seem to be an all or nothing thinker.
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We would have to give picks away to trade up to get him too.
...probably. And, I think that's another reasonable argument for why we shouldn't draft him. But, again, a reasonable person could easily conclude that Fournette on this team would make it much, much better.
The Alabama angle is very, very overplayed. 90% of the fans were downright excited to have Ingram. It has been his play that has soured the fanbase on him.
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Posted on 10/31/16 at 4:36 pm to AlaTiger
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We don't have a great RB. If he is there, you take him. Period.
I think he's going to be a great player as well, but who would you take if you had options of: Fournette, Jabril Peppers, Jonathan Allen, & Derek Barnett?
I'd take a DE personally, but I guess I wouldn't complain if Fournette was the pick.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 10/31/16 at 4:43 pm to GMoney2600
Personally I'd like to have a RB that can score from the 1 yard line given 3 opportunities, but that's just me. That being said, you draft BPA. I'd rather draft LF if he falls than reach for whoever is left at DL or the secondary. Personally I'd like about 5-6 Defensive players if they are there over LF. I haven't had a chance to look at OL and no to QB with where we will be likely picking.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 4:50 pm to AlaTiger
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If you get a chance at Fournette, you take him. He is going to crush it in the NFL and why would you not want a back who can get 2000 yards from scrimmage as Brees ages?
Since 2006, these are the only RBs to break 2k.
2006: Jackson, Tomlinson, L. Johnson, Gore, Barber
2007: Westbrook
2008: None
2009: C. Johnson, Rice
2010: Foster
2011: Rice
2012: Peterson
2013: McCoy
2014: Murray, Bell
2015: None
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I know we have other needs. People are saying "Guard." Well, no kidding. But, when everyone here was screaming to draft La'el Collins last year, the same geniuses said that you don't draft a "Guard" in the first round. You can get him high.
People are also saying: DL, LB, and Corner.
An elite RB would help, but how much more efficient could we get? We're rarely turning the ball over as it is, our problem is we can't stop any bleeding. You could literally put any other top 5 RB in this offense and we still wouldn't run that well.
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I'd love to see the Saints get an All-Pro anything in the first round. We've drafted CBs, DTs, OTs, and all kinds of players in the first round. What did they amount to? Some were great. Most were busts.
And LF would change that automatically??
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We don't have a great RB. If he is there, you take him. Period.
If you told me Leonard Williams or Leonard Fournette
I'd have taken Leonard Williams every single time.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 10/31/16 at 4:54 pm to moneyg
quote:It's not cause he doesn't. A downhill runner who has never shown he can be great receiver (you can blame that on his college team if you want) is not the kind of RB you need with this team especially when they can't run block for shite. If you want a new RB, McCaffrey is the one everyone should want cause he would be a great player for the Saints but that would also be a terrible pick cause we do not need to use a 1st on a RB. Anybody that thinks Sean Payton is just gonna all of a sudden change is delusional. David Johnson would be the perfect RB for the Saints and he was a 3rd rounder.
It's ridiculous to say that Fournette doesn't fit this team.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 10/31/16 at 4:57 pm to knowingabyss
Can we get a LF sticky please 
Posted on 10/31/16 at 5:01 pm to knowingabyss
Doesn't matter, he will be long gone by the time we pick..
Posted on 10/31/16 at 5:12 pm to knowingabyss
I think the explanation for drafting LF7 would be to transition the team to something like the Broncos did with Elway. Becoming more of defensive/running team. We have seen the Saints pick guys like Peat, Anthony, Rankins, Kikaha, Vonn Bell, David Onyemata to build up strong line play to move to a more physical style of play. Add that LF7 is an elite talent that won't come around for a very long time and you build the team around him.
I'm not saying we should take him, but that would be my thoughts on why you might take him. Right now, we pass because we have to. We also like to, but we have to. Ingram isn't carrying this team to wins.
I'm not saying we should take him, but that would be my thoughts on why you might take him. Right now, we pass because we have to. We also like to, but we have to. Ingram isn't carrying this team to wins.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 5:15 pm to knowingabyss
The Saints traded back into the 1st round to draft Ingram, who is no where near the caliber of player Fournette is projected to be.
If Fournette is there when the Saints pick, it wouldn't surprise me if the Saints take him to help take the pressure off Drew.
If Fournette is there when the Saints pick, it wouldn't surprise me if the Saints take him to help take the pressure off Drew.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 5:19 pm to LSUZombie
Good point. Have a Deuce/R. Williams type split the next year with LF7/Ingram and then trade Ingram for a conditional 2nd/3rd rounder the next year.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 5:35 pm to knowingabyss
If RBs are so easy to find, why haven't we had a dependable one since Pierre Thomas? Look at what Elliot is doing in Dallas. What Gurley is doing with the Rams. #1 stud RBs are still at a premium in the league. And we have:
Ingram - who's never done anything consistent for us.
Hightower - who has no knees
Lasco - solid
Cadet - pass catcher only
Murphy - returner who can't even hang onto his spot
Its not like we have this stable of backs who are irreplaceable.
Plus, Drew Brees isn't getting any younger. His production could fall of a cliff any year now. As he gets older we'll need to move to a more balanced attack ala the Broncos with both Elway and Manning.
I'm not going to complain if we get a stud pass rusher etc, but to act like we don't need or couldn't use Fournette to shore up our run game is absurd.
Ingram - who's never done anything consistent for us.
Hightower - who has no knees
Lasco - solid
Cadet - pass catcher only
Murphy - returner who can't even hang onto his spot
Its not like we have this stable of backs who are irreplaceable.
Plus, Drew Brees isn't getting any younger. His production could fall of a cliff any year now. As he gets older we'll need to move to a more balanced attack ala the Broncos with both Elway and Manning.
I'm not going to complain if we get a stud pass rusher etc, but to act like we don't need or couldn't use Fournette to shore up our run game is absurd.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 10/31/16 at 5:41 pm to apfour21
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It's not cause he doesn't. A downhill runner who has never shown he can be great receiver
Lolwut? Fournette has shown he can be a great receiver out of the backfield. That's just wrong.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 5:46 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
When is the last time you watched Todd Gurley? Elliott is a great player but has the best run blocking offensive line in the league which just allowed McFadden to have a 1000 yard season last year.
I hate stats cause the situations are different for every player and PFF for a variety of reasons but
134 rushes for 403 yards at 3.0 yards per carry with 2 fumbles and 34th ranked RB by PFF
89 rushes for 340 yards at 3.8 yards per carry with 2 fumbles and 35th ranked RB by PFF
Guess which of those is Mark Ingram and Todd Gurley. Without a capable offensive line and passing game Gurley is worthless and a lot of people on here keep saying to build around Leonard for future as Brees declines and retires which is fine if you have Dallas's offensive line. A good RB isn't worth a damn if the line can't run block. If we get a good offensive line the RB issues will stop. Instead we should be trying everything in our power to get an at least capable defense to have for the last run of Brees's career cause we will likely never have another player as good as him.
I hate stats cause the situations are different for every player and PFF for a variety of reasons but
134 rushes for 403 yards at 3.0 yards per carry with 2 fumbles and 34th ranked RB by PFF
89 rushes for 340 yards at 3.8 yards per carry with 2 fumbles and 35th ranked RB by PFF
Guess which of those is Mark Ingram and Todd Gurley. Without a capable offensive line and passing game Gurley is worthless and a lot of people on here keep saying to build around Leonard for future as Brees declines and retires which is fine if you have Dallas's offensive line. A good RB isn't worth a damn if the line can't run block. If we get a good offensive line the RB issues will stop. Instead we should be trying everything in our power to get an at least capable defense to have for the last run of Brees's career cause we will likely never have another player as good as him.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 10/31/16 at 6:22 pm to LSUZombie
Payton and our front office will jump all over hype our organizations are retarded . For example look how the pels drafted Hield because he was some exiting college player. Well none of tha shite matters in the league and he's 24, different sport, another dumb loomis controlled pick
They jumped on ingrams bum arse of they get a chance at Fournette they will take him.
They jumped on ingrams bum arse of they get a chance at Fournette they will take him.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 10/31/16 at 8:24 pm to knowingabyss
Well a running game will help out the defense and keep the other team guessing even more with this offense. i.e Dallas,Minnesota etc
Posted on 10/31/16 at 8:31 pm to floyd13
Best way to get a running game is to fix the OL.
Strief is nearing the end and Evans is already there.
Strief is nearing the end and Evans is already there.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 8:37 pm to apfour21
I've never said it was one or the other. You could hypothetically pick Fournette and still very easily shore up your o-line. They can be mutually exclusive moves. If Strief is done move Peat to RT and pick up a couple guards. If keep him at G, grab another G and T if Jahri is done.
Good Gs are certainly to be had in the 2nd or after rounds and I wouldn't be surprised if we made a couple moves in FA to help there as well.
Good Gs are certainly to be had in the 2nd or after rounds and I wouldn't be surprised if we made a couple moves in FA to help there as well.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 8:39 pm to partywiththelombardi
quote:Much like people say you can find an RB anywhere or as an UDFA, we've shown we can draft starting or elite OL players anywhere in the draft.
Best way to get a running game is to fix the OL.
Strief is nearing the end and Evans is already there.
Even how Andrus Peat is starting to come into his own as a player and has proven invaluable for his versatility to play guard or tackle with our injury issues.
As for Fournette, LSU is part of it. But I wanted the dude back when he was dominating at St. Aug. I want the guy because he's from New Orleans. I also want the guy because he's a generational talent that has a size, speed, and power combo I haven't seen in a ages.
You can sell me on a defensive player like Jonathan Allen (gasp! A Bama player over an LSU one? Think of the children!) or Malik McDowell.
But it will take some convincing. I've already looked hard at guys like that and think if they and LF are on the board, I take LF.
HOWEVER. Leonard Fournette isn't my top player in the draft. I'm not sure he's my top offensive player in the draft. That distinction could go to DeShone Kizer, and I'm sort of wafering back and forth with that.
But I also certainly don't have LF ahead of Myles Garrett or Jabrill Peppers.
This draft has some really nice, legit athletic freaks to go after...but seems they'll all be high up in this draft.
I think a running back like LF will only help us. People say, idiotically, that we don't use running backs like that in any way takes into account the fact that if we take a RB that high in the draft, Payton is almost obligated to use the man as much as possible. PLUS, every supreme talent we've had on offense has become our focal point.
From Reggie Bush being on the field in all sorts of ways.
To Jimmy Graham getting folk to say Payton and Brees are forcing him into the offense at the detriment of that spreading the ball around thing that is somenow preferable to giving your most talented player the ball as much as possible.
Even now, Michael Thomas is getting increased snaps and is coming through. And in a big way.
Payton goes with the hot hand and the talented hand. He's no fool and gets offense in a way common fans can only dream of.
TL;DR: Draft Fournette because he'd could well be the BPA. The fit will make itself work.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 10/31/16 at 8:41 pm to partywiththelombardi
No matter who your r.b. is, if your o.l. can't block consistently for them you are just spinning your wheels. In College L.F. is a physical beast but in the pros if you can't penetrate the line of scrimmage on a consistent basis and get to the second level your physical beast won't do you any good. He who controls the line of scrimmage controls the game. No blocky no runny.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 8:44 pm to therick711
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As Brees ages, one way you might choose to protect him and extend his career is by remaking your offense into a more balanced one. As he gets older, you may find that you get more out of him by asking him to do less.
This is a very justifiable reason for drafting him
Could also make the post-Brees transition a little easier if we get him long term
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 8:47 pm
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