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re: The Latest on Medicine Cabinet Gate
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:49 pm to Sophandros
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:49 pm to Sophandros
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BTW, have you ever noticed that people only file civil suits AFTER the criminal issue is resolved? Isn't it interesting that he's asking for seven figures--MONEY--here?
No proof of this. Sheer speculation.
Everyone's chasing the wrong set of facts. The set of facts people need to be concerned about is not whether Santini a douchebag or what his true motivations are.
The set of facts that people should be worried about is whether of not criminal activity occured in the FO. Do you think a judge is going to discount video and tape recorded evidence of a felony because the source's motivations?
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:50 pm to Sophandros
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Isn't it interesting that he's asking for seven figures--MONEY--here?
This isn't true because we don't have video evidence of him making this demand despite the multitude of media reports to the contrary.
He did this to save Joe Vitt and truth, justice, and the American way.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:50 pm to EmperorGout
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It's Vicodin...one arse hair more potent than Tylenol. It's not like this is about Oxy's.
Actually, I think Oxycodone is only "one asshair" more potent than Vicodin (hydrocodone). Why would they steal from the facility and risk getting in trouble when this stuff is all over the street? If it's true, then this was a really stupid move.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:51 pm to ClientNumber9
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Link??? If you something I don't about this, spill the beans!
I can't photocopy federal letters. Congrats on still being a douchebag though.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:51 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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Dude, you think you know so much, but the joke is going to be on you when this suit fizzles and nothing comes of it.
I've already stated I hope Santini is full of shite and that he's lying about having any evidence. You think I want this to be true? Seriously?
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:52 pm to jdrumdog
If loomis ordered the destruction of evidence in a criminal investigation he should be punished according to the law.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:53 pm to GOPDawg
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Actually, I think Oxycodone is only "one asshair" more potent than Vicodin (hydrocodone)
Uhhh Vicodin is Tylenol with a small amount of hydrocodone
Oxycodone is synthesized morphine
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:54 pm to ClientNumber9
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The set of facts that people should be worried about is whether of not criminal activity occured in the FO. Do you think a judge is going to discount video and tape recorded evidence of a felony because the source's motivations?
Considering that this case is in CIVIL COURT, not criminal court or federal court, and that he's suing over the why he left the organization and he's demanding seven figures...
But don't let that get in your way of being a smug federal employee. The DEA has had information for a year, and they haven't done anything with it. JPSO, the local law enforcement, were notified and decided that it wasn't worth investigating.
THOSE facts carry more weight than your weak defense of Mr. Santini.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:56 pm to Sophandros
Oh I'm sorry guys,
is there a criminal investigation going on? (eagerly awaits answer).
I didn't mean to interrupt.
is there a criminal investigation going on? (eagerly awaits answer).
I didn't mean to interrupt.
This post was edited on 5/12/10 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:56 pm to ClientNumber9
I think that Santini is trying to shake them down for a couple million dollars.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:56 pm to jdrumdog
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is there a criminal investigation going on? (eagerly awaits answer).
No, there isn't, which is why this is so curious...
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:58 pm to ClientNumber9
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I've already stated I hope Santini is full of shite and that he's lying about having any evidence. You think I want this to be true? Seriously?
No, you stated that he did it to save Joe Vitt. Which, quite honestly, you're not going to recover from in this thread
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:58 pm to ClientNumber9
hey i do like your avatar though - that shite is funny.
somebody needs to get a picture of Obama bending over to play with Beau and put that alongside his other "bowing" pictures.
somebody needs to get a picture of Obama bending over to play with Beau and put that alongside his other "bowing" pictures.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 12:58 pm to Sophandros
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DEA has had information
Did they have the evidence that Loomis allegedly ordered destroyed?
Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:01 pm to Sophandros
is there a criminal investigation going on? (eagerly awaits answer).
Man, you seemed smarter than this in other posts of yours I've read.
At any point (provided the limitations haven't expired) new evidence can prompt criminal charges- whether or not the case is open, inactive, or closed.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:03 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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hey i do like your avatar though - that shite is funny
Thanks.
Forgive me if I'm coming off as smug. I know I'm swimming upstream here and I'm not trying to be "that guy", but the evidence Santini has (or potentially has) scares me and it should scare others more than it does.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:05 pm to ClientNumber9
Jeff Duncan T-P today:
I can tell you that sources within the Saints organization are confident the issue will be resolved without majority penalties. They stand by their claim that this is a shakedown by a disgruntled former employee. I've also spoken to a number of Geoff Santini's associates in the past two weeks and the unanimous opinion is that he doesn't have an extortionist bone in his body. So this looks like a classic "he said, she said" case. The Saints have public opinion on their side. Then again, Santini's 31 years of service with the FBI could go a long way with federal authorities. Rest assured, these charges are serious. Stealing a narcotic such as Vicodin is a felony offense that can carry a maximum sentence of 10 years. The Drug Enforcement Agency and Jefferson Parish Sheriff's office say they are investigating the case but I wonder how hard. After all, they've had the information for almost a year and not acted. Even if the Saints skirt criminal offenses, there's still the NFL to deal with. Vitt, general manager Mickey Loomis, head coach Sean Payton and even trainer Scottie Patton could be in violation of the NFL's personal conduct policy, which requires all persons associated with the NFL to avoid "conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League." This requirement applies to players, coaches, other team employees, owners, game officials and all others privileged to work in the National Football League. The policy holds NFL employees "to a higher standard" than normal citizens. Failure to live up to this standard of conduct can result in "discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime." So, as you can see, this is a very complicated situation. The worst thing that could happen is imprisonment. I think that's unlikely but you never know how the authorities will treat the case now that it's become so high profile. The findings from their investigation and the result of the civil lawsuit will likely determine the extent of the NFL's discipline, if any. That could take awhile.
I can tell you that sources within the Saints organization are confident the issue will be resolved without majority penalties. They stand by their claim that this is a shakedown by a disgruntled former employee. I've also spoken to a number of Geoff Santini's associates in the past two weeks and the unanimous opinion is that he doesn't have an extortionist bone in his body. So this looks like a classic "he said, she said" case. The Saints have public opinion on their side. Then again, Santini's 31 years of service with the FBI could go a long way with federal authorities. Rest assured, these charges are serious. Stealing a narcotic such as Vicodin is a felony offense that can carry a maximum sentence of 10 years. The Drug Enforcement Agency and Jefferson Parish Sheriff's office say they are investigating the case but I wonder how hard. After all, they've had the information for almost a year and not acted. Even if the Saints skirt criminal offenses, there's still the NFL to deal with. Vitt, general manager Mickey Loomis, head coach Sean Payton and even trainer Scottie Patton could be in violation of the NFL's personal conduct policy, which requires all persons associated with the NFL to avoid "conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League." This requirement applies to players, coaches, other team employees, owners, game officials and all others privileged to work in the National Football League. The policy holds NFL employees "to a higher standard" than normal citizens. Failure to live up to this standard of conduct can result in "discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime." So, as you can see, this is a very complicated situation. The worst thing that could happen is imprisonment. I think that's unlikely but you never know how the authorities will treat the case now that it's become so high profile. The findings from their investigation and the result of the civil lawsuit will likely determine the extent of the NFL's discipline, if any. That could take awhile.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:14 pm to tigerguy121
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Supposedly he has taped conversations of him and Loomis
in reading that article that blues posted the other week, it made it sound like those taped conversations weren't all that incriminating against Loomis and Patton
Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:15 pm to blueslover
Jeff Duncan is a really solid writer. I used to think of him as just your run of the mill beat reporter but he's got a way of summing things up and gleaning new information that is top notch.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:17 pm to ClientNumber9
client, you didn't answer my question.
And yes, you came off as smug.
because you're assuming there's proof of new evidence/information?
because that evidence has been turned over. There hasn't been new evidence in...how long now? At this point, you've got what you got.
In other words, I'll answer for you. No, there's no criminal investigation. There won't be, because that door has been shut. And unless there's a miraculous source of new material, you've seen all the evidence you're going to see, because Santini wants the MONEY.
The quicker you get this into your head, the better. This is nothing more than a poker game between the Saints and Mr. Mafia Boss Name man, and we're just waiting to see who folds first.
And yes, you came off as smug.
because you're assuming there's proof of new evidence/information?
because that evidence has been turned over. There hasn't been new evidence in...how long now? At this point, you've got what you got.
In other words, I'll answer for you. No, there's no criminal investigation. There won't be, because that door has been shut. And unless there's a miraculous source of new material, you've seen all the evidence you're going to see, because Santini wants the MONEY.
The quicker you get this into your head, the better. This is nothing more than a poker game between the Saints and Mr. Mafia Boss Name man, and we're just waiting to see who folds first.
This post was edited on 5/12/10 at 1:22 pm
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