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"The Jimmy Graham Dilemma" (Article)

Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:54 am
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:54 am
From the National Football Post

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Maps out the whole situation

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This is important because Jimmy Graham, although a TE, lines up in the slot and out wide at a typical receiver position more than the majority, if not all the tight ends in the league. Thus, an argument for the higher franchise valuation can be made because Article 10, Sec 2(a)(i) of the NFL CBA states that, “the franchise designation of a player will be determined according to where the Franchise player participated in the most plays during the prior League Year.” If Graham can get an arbitrator to believe that plays for a tight end should only count if they are lined up on the line, then perhaps the arbitrator will decide that Graham should be viewed as a wide receiver and receive the higher amount.


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The reason for Graham to do a deal is the fact that if he loses the arbitration case and is deemed a TE, his 2014 franchise number is $7.05 million. Worse, however, is the very real potential of being franchised again in 2015 for $8.5 million (120% of the 2014 franchise number), thus delaying his impending free agency for two full seasons.


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The reason for the Saints to do a deal before a grievance and/or arbitration verdict follows a similar path; if an arbitrator were to find that Graham should be franchised at the wide receiver number of $12.1 million, then not only will it cost an additional $5 million in 2014, but it will also make franchising him in 2015 more costly, counting potentially $14.5 million against next year’s cap. Furthermore, it makes completing a long-term deal that much harder because if Graham knows he is getting $26 million over the next two years, what reason does he have to get a deal done for much less than an average of $13 million per season? Additionally, the guaranteed amount would need to be at least $26 million and likely more for the deal to make much, if any, sense for Graham to sign.


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If the Saints are going to reset the tight end market by making Graham the highest paid TE, the problem becomes how much more they will be willing to pay over Gronkowski’s $9 million average per year, as well as how much more guaranteed than the $15.5 million they would pay if they simply franchise Graham over the next two years. Teams do not particularly care to reset the bar for positional salaries and when they do, they would like to keep the amount as in-line with the market as possible. So if the Saints agree to make Graham the highest paid TE in the league, the number I would assume they would want to pay is likely $9.5 million per year.


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At the end of the day, Jimmy Sexton (Graham’s agent) and Mickey Loomis (Saints GM) are both proven veterans that know how to make a deal when the time is right, and for that reason I think this deal will get done most likely at a number that is a little above or below where each of the parties would like it to be.
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Posted by oncealurker
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:00 am to
Yup
Posted by GeauxAggie972
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:06 am to
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At the end of the day, Jimmy Sexton (Graham’s agent) and Mickey Loomis (Saints GM) are both proven veterans that know how to make a deal when the time is right, and for that reason I think this deal will get done most likely at a number that is a little above or below where each of the parties would like it to be.


So where is the dilemma then?
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:12 am to
Both sides have a lot to win if they wait until the grievance is heard.

And a lot to lose.

So do they hedge their bets and sign a contract ahead of time?

And, any deal they sign before the grievance is likely to throw the TE salary line out of whack.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:13 am to
trade him to someone who overpays.

Solve all of these issues.
Posted by BlacknGold
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:15 am to
quote:

most likely at a number that is a little above or below where each of the parties would like it to be.


really? bold guess here
Posted by mm2316
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:23 am to
Doesn't seem like much of a dilemma, IMO. The team has their offer, and what they're willing to go up to, and Sexton has his, and I am sure they will meet somewhere in the middle. As far as the TE/WR goes, if Jimmy was going to appeal he would have done so already.

PFF released a good article yesterday on TEs and where they get their yardage. Worth a read...

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This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 11:24 am
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:23 am to
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really? bold guess here


I think he's just saying "don't get your panties in a bunch. He's not holding out until November and the Saints aren't giving him 15 a year. All you're hearing right now is bullshite posturing."

It sounds like common sense, but many people lack that.
Posted by BlacknGold
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:31 am to
its just "they will meet in the middle"

which is pretty much how it always goes.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:05 pm to
Another Jimmy thread?




April fools!!!
Posted by bonethug0108
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:23 pm to
quote:

The reason for Graham to do a deal is the fact that if he loses the arbitration case and is deemed a TE, his 2014 franchise number is $7.05 million. Worse, however, is the very real potential of being franchised again in 2015 for $8.5 million (120% of the 2014 franchise number), thus delaying his impending free agency for two full seasons.
I've actually been saying that this is what we SHOULD do, if he doesn't win in arbitration or they don't find a middle ground in the tag.

If you figure he will eventually get $10m per, keep him one year for $7m and you come out cheaper in the long run.
Posted by Dr. Shultz
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:00 pm to
Is Jimmy Sexton the agent for every high profile player\coach in the NFL\NCAA?

Like shite. Everytime I read something about a new "ground breaking" deal I always see Jimmy Sextons name pop up.

dude has to be fricking loaded.
Posted by I'mCastorTroy
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 12:53 am to
Trade or sign this is a win win situation.
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