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re: The End of Colston in New Orleans?
Posted on 10/9/11 at 9:55 pm to saintsfan22
Posted on 10/9/11 at 9:55 pm to saintsfan22
A possession receiver like colston doesnt come around often. I dont think the FO would let him walk.
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Posted on 10/9/11 at 9:59 pm to mjt8364
Posted on 10/9/11 at 10:00 pm to GynoSandberg
exactly
who are we going to replace him with that can do what he does?
who are we going to replace him with that can do what he does?
Posted on 10/9/11 at 10:04 pm to mjt8364
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A possession receiver like colston doesnt come around often. I dont think the FO would let him walk.
I hope not. But the practical realities exist that there may not be enough money to go around. You can't pay the O-line, double Brees' salary and resign Colston at $6-7M a season. It's the nature of salary cap football.
It's easy to say that the FO won't let him walk, but it's a numbers game. I also don't think they're going to commit to a long term deal for more than he could get as a free agent.
I think Colston is a hell of a talent, but he's not a Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, or Reggie Wayne (circa 2008). He's good but not elite. My fear is that somebody is going to offer him elite money.
Posted on 10/9/11 at 10:06 pm to ClientNumber9
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My fear is that somebody is going to offer him elite money.
His injury history will keep that from happening.
Posted on 10/9/11 at 10:20 pm to ClientNumber9
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I hope not. But the practical realities exist that there may not be enough money to go around. You can't pay the O-line, double Brees' salary and resign Colston at $6-7M a season. It's the nature of salary cap football.
It's easy to say that the FO won't let him walk, but it's a numbers game. I also don't think they're going to commit to a long term deal for more than he could get as a free agent.
I think Colston is a hell of a talent, but he's not a Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, or Reggie Wayne (circa 2008). He's good but not elite. My fear is that somebody is going to offer him elite money.
You got a good point. I guess we'll have to see how it pans out. I'd think Brees will have a say in this. But you're right someone will be getting shafted this offseason due to our financial situation. I sure as hell hope it wont be colston.
Posted on 10/9/11 at 10:55 pm to mjt8364
1) Payton likes continuity and keeping the wr corps together with Brees for 5-6 yrs helps us be that well oiled machine
2) 4.7 M is a bargain for a guy who presents mismatches against every team and a safety valve for brees.
3) We have bigger needs on D and OL to have to waste a draft pick on a new wr, which is what we'll need to do if we have to replace our big possession wr
4) graham is a TE, he will be the best TE in the game for the next decade, but still he is not a wr.
2) 4.7 M is a bargain for a guy who presents mismatches against every team and a safety valve for brees.
3) We have bigger needs on D and OL to have to waste a draft pick on a new wr, which is what we'll need to do if we have to replace our big possession wr
4) graham is a TE, he will be the best TE in the game for the next decade, but still he is not a wr.
Posted on 10/9/11 at 11:06 pm to SuperRemo
I've been on this a while. He could be back. It would prolly take some give on his part. I tend to lean that some other team will outbid the Saints tho.
-Injury history, 5 or 6 knee surgeries + the other stuff
-Graham is a younger, cheaper, and I'll still call it potentially better big target guy.
-would be a big splash signing by some other team
-Devery not getting faster so the need for a deep threat might be bigger than a loss of Colston.
-Injury history, 5 or 6 knee surgeries + the other stuff
-Graham is a younger, cheaper, and I'll still call it potentially better big target guy.
-would be a big splash signing by some other team
-Devery not getting faster so the need for a deep threat might be bigger than a loss of Colston.
Posted on 10/9/11 at 11:11 pm to blueslover
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-Devery not getting faster so the need for a deep threat might be bigger than a loss of Colston.
This makes no sense. How many times do the Saints throw to Colston vs. Devery? Finding someone to fill Devery's role would be a hundred times easier.
Posted on 10/9/11 at 11:14 pm to blueslover
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-Devery not getting faster so the need for a deep threat might be bigger than a loss of Colston.
no way
Posted on 10/9/11 at 11:17 pm to saintsfan22
Meachem and Devery are disposable
They are straight line guys who seem clueless on route running, spacing etc. They are dependent on speed and that's how they get by. No finesse at all.
We would need to bring in a legit WR1 if we lose Colston. Not sure why people mention Graham. He's a TE. He also thrives due to the coverage Colston demands
They are straight line guys who seem clueless on route running, spacing etc. They are dependent on speed and that's how they get by. No finesse at all.
We would need to bring in a legit WR1 if we lose Colston. Not sure why people mention Graham. He's a TE. He also thrives due to the coverage Colston demands
Posted on 10/9/11 at 11:32 pm to GynoSandberg
another thread on the likelihood of re-signing TP22 also. He might be easier to keep as a #3 CB though. Hometown discount, the endless dings, and if he can't reclaim the #2 spot he prolly won't get big bucks.
Uh, Colston was only in for 15 or so plays last week and none the previous two games.
The position is virtually irrelevant in the NFL now as far as go-to guys.. It is the role- big bodied sure handed posession target. Finley, Witten, Graham. etc
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Not sure why people mention Graham. He's a TE. He also thrives due to the coverage Colston demands
Uh, Colston was only in for 15 or so plays last week and none the previous two games.
The position is virtually irrelevant in the NFL now as far as go-to guys.. It is the role- big bodied sure handed posession target. Finley, Witten, Graham. etc
Posted on 10/9/11 at 11:33 pm to GynoSandberg
I really hope Colston stays. He's meant a lot to this offense even though he has missed a number of games to injury since arriving in 06. I agree with the posts in here that suggest Brees will have some influence in getting Colston paid to stay here as his #1.
If Colston gets money that he can't pass up, then we would be in a bind IMO. Graham is a stud, but he isn't a WR.
If we lose him, I think Payton and co. will do some serious research into next year's draft and try to find a big possession type receiver that can line up anywhere and move the chains, which has been Colston's job here. Someone like Alshon Jeffery (great hands, big frame) would be needed.
If Colston gets money that he can't pass up, then we would be in a bind IMO. Graham is a stud, but he isn't a WR.
If we lose him, I think Payton and co. will do some serious research into next year's draft and try to find a big possession type receiver that can line up anywhere and move the chains, which has been Colston's job here. Someone like Alshon Jeffery (great hands, big frame) would be needed.
Posted on 10/9/11 at 11:42 pm to blueslover
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Uh, Colston was only in for 15 or so plays last week and none the previous two games.
Graham's two biggest games both reception and yardage wise has came since Colston has been back the last two games. He went from being targeted 7, 7, and 8 times the first 3 gams to 14 and 12 the last two. Colston plays a role in that.
He was also in for 21 snaps vs Jacksonville. Almost every offensive snap today.
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It is the role- big bodied sure handed posession target. Finley, Witten, Graham. etc
I don't think this is Colston's role completely. Would you consider Andre Johnson is this category, a guy who Colston averages a better YPC over his career? I mean, even Calvin Johnson only averages a yard more per catch than Colston. Im not saying he is in those guys league, but Colston is more than a big bodied possession target who's going to plop in the middle of the field and wait for the ball.
Posted on 10/9/11 at 11:55 pm to ClientNumber9
IMO
Keeping Graham is #1
Colston #2
Henderson #3
Moore #4
Keeping Graham is #1
Colston #2
Henderson #3
Moore #4
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:06 am to GynoSandberg
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Not sure why people mention Graham. He's a TE.
Graham figures into the discussion because Graham is sapping Colston's opportunities and becoming the primary target. This reduced role, combined with the multiple knee surgeries and relatively high salary could keep Colston from returning next year.
He makes $5.7M this year. If he gets the slight raise (around $6-7M) he could expect from a new contract, it would put him closer to the very good/elite WRs in the league:
Greg Jennings: $6.5M
Roddy White: $6.5M
Anquan Boldin: $6.0M
I just don't think the FO can pay him more than those guys. I think we offer something like 3 years/ $15M. Considering poorly run franchises like the Cardinals and Dolphins are paying Fitzgerald $21.5M and Brandon Marshall $10.6M, I know some team out there will overpay him.
Maybe Brees will be able to assist in keeping him. He's done it before and I know he'll try. But the wiggle room with the cap is going to be a lot less flexible once we pay Brees.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:08 am to ShermanTxTiger
I hope he can stay. The realities of managing the cap can be very tough tho. We would have had Reggie back- at the right price. So ya evaluate the injury risk/history, what role a guy plays, what cap room ya have, and offer him commensurately. Just my feeling that some other teams might be willing to overpay a lot more than the Saints. They kept Lance Moore for a lot cheaper than I thought tho. Maybe the same can happen for Colston.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:12 am to ClientNumber9
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Graham figures into the discussion because Graham is sapping Colston's opportunities and becoming the primary target. This reduced role, combined with the multiple knee surgeries and relatively high salary could keep Colston from returning next year.
He makes $5.7M this year. If he gets the slight raise (around $6-7M) he could expect from a new contract, it would put him closer to the very good/elite WRs in the league:
Greg Jennings: $6.5M
Roddy White: $6.5M
Anquan Boldin: $6.0M
I just don't think the FO can pay him more than those guys. I think we offer something like 3 years/ $15M. Considering poorly run franchises like the Cardinals and Dolphins are paying Fitzgerald $21.5M and Brandon Marshall $10.6M, I know some team out there will overpay him.
Maybe Brees will be able to assist in keeping him. He's done it before and I know he'll try. But the wiggle room with the cap is going to be a lot less flexible once we pay Brees.
I agree with most of this. Graham needs a guy like Colston in order to be successful. There is no other serious threat at WR to alleviate some of that attention that is increasing every week.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:31 am to GynoSandberg
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There is no other serious threat at WR to alleviate some of that attention that is increasing every week.
What I was trying to say earlier was that a speed/stretch threat WR might end up being needed more than another big body WR.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 4:00 am to ClientNumber9
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Graham figures into the discussion because Graham is sapping Colston's opportunities and becoming the primary target. This reduced role, combined with the multiple knee surgeries and relatively high salary could keep Colston from returning next year.
Colston was Drew's top option until he got injured. In comes Jimmy Graham becoming the new top option. Let's assume that the FO cuts ties with Colston and then Jimmy gets hurt. Who will be our jumbo sized possession receiver/end zone threat?
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He makes $5.7M this year. If he gets the slight raise (around $6-7M) he could expect from a new contract, it would put him closer to the very good/elite WRs in the league:
Greg Jennings: $6.5M
Roddy White: $6.5M
Anquan Boldin: $6.0M
You think those receivers won't get significant pay raises on their next contracts? I bet Jennings and White each get $10+ mil and Boldin will make just under that. Paying $6 mil for a sure 1000+ yard 8+ TD per season WR is well worth it even if he misses 3-4 games a season. Bernard Berrian makes quite a bit more than Colston for being a #2/#3 option.
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