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Starting Front 7
Posted on 5/15/16 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 5/15/16 at 1:12 pm
Who are you guys predicting to be our starting front seven come September? I'm going to say Kikaha, Rankins, Fairley, and Cam Jordan on the line. I think it will be Anthony, Lauranaitis, and Ellerbe at linebacker. What do you guys think?
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Posted on 5/15/16 at 1:24 pm to cbree88
I think it will be
RDE - Cam
3T - Rankins/Fairley timeshare
DT - Jenkins
LDE - Richardson/Kikaha (depends on the down)
SLB - Anthony
MLB - Laurinaitis
WLB - Ellerbe
RDE - Cam
3T - Rankins/Fairley timeshare
DT - Jenkins
LDE - Richardson/Kikaha (depends on the down)
SLB - Anthony
MLB - Laurinaitis
WLB - Ellerbe
Posted on 5/15/16 at 1:28 pm to Rand AlThor
I'm kind of hoping that we can phase Jenkins out. He's been underwhelming for much of his career. I hate seeing him get washed out so easily when defending the run.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 1:34 pm to cbree88
The problem with that is that we don't have anyone to play NT.
Both Rankins and Fairley will play the same position (3 tech). The other DT has to be bigger and eat space, which Jenkins is pretty good at.
He's shown some stuff. He looked pretty good in spots last year. I think they'll give him a good look with this being a contract year for him, we might see something. But it's gonna have to be him or Davison, and I think Davison is probably too small.
Both Rankins and Fairley will play the same position (3 tech). The other DT has to be bigger and eat space, which Jenkins is pretty good at.
He's shown some stuff. He looked pretty good in spots last year. I think they'll give him a good look with this being a contract year for him, we might see something. But it's gonna have to be him or Davison, and I think Davison is probably too small.
This post was edited on 5/15/16 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 5/15/16 at 2:02 pm to cbree88
Kikaha is DE on for sure passing downs. Richardson out there more for running downs.
Jenkins, Fairley, and Rankins can do a 3 man rotation in the middle.
Jenkins, Fairley, and Rankins can do a 3 man rotation in the middle.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 2:36 pm to Rand AlThor
I don't think Jenkins really eats many blocks at NT. When one lineman can block you and push you out of the hole, there's no reason for the other team to devote more than one blocker to you. He's not really serving any purpose.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 2:55 pm to cbree88
I've seen Jenkins eat up two OL on his own plenty of times.
If he isn't doing it we're in trouble switching to a 4-3 because we have no other DTs on the roster who are even close to the size we need.
If he isn't doing it we're in trouble switching to a 4-3 because we have no other DTs on the roster who are even close to the size we need.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 3:14 pm to Rand AlThor
quote:This is why we should have drafted Billings over the Canadian DT. Sure, he's a rookie but he was billed as the top run stopping NT in the draft.
The problem with that is that we don't have anyone to play NT.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 4:21 pm to Tingle
Maybe, but you have to assume that he fell for a reason. Something that media guys didn't know. Maybe not a character or health concern but maybe a major flaw in his ability somewhere. who knows?
If Onyemata plays up to his physical potential he will end up being a worthwhile pick in the end. He could be exactly what we need opposite Jordan (he is playing DE in camp). A line with Jordan, Rankins and a well-versed Onyemata could be pretty damn formidable.
If Onyemata plays up to his physical potential he will end up being a worthwhile pick in the end. He could be exactly what we need opposite Jordan (he is playing DE in camp). A line with Jordan, Rankins and a well-versed Onyemata could be pretty damn formidable.
This post was edited on 5/15/16 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 5/15/16 at 4:47 pm to Rand AlThor
We could see Fairley and Rankins both on the field in some base 4-3 sets. The nose is really only used in the 4-3, in "over" or "under" looks. Allen is heavy on the Under, so John is going to get plenty of use.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 4:51 pm to patendedgmf
quote:John Jenkins was taken to be our 3-4 NT in Rob Ryan's defense. The big bodied NT position is not as important in the 4-3. Internal push, and edge flexibility are more important. If Dennis Allen sticks, John Jenkins could be the one not resigned. The Fairley/Rankins combo inside, with other rotational pieces, may end up working just fine.
This is why we should have drafted Billings over the Canadian DT. Sure, he's a rookie but he was billed as the top run stopping NT in the draft.
This post was edited on 5/15/16 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 5/15/16 at 6:39 pm to cbree88
Watch the first quarter of the first preseason game.
Watch the opening drives of the opponents' offense in games 2 and 3.
This will tell if the defense has improved at all from last year.
I would hope this board learned last year, ignore whole-game preseason stats and instead, trust what your eyes see.
Watch the opening drives of the opponents' offense in games 2 and 3.
This will tell if the defense has improved at all from last year.
I would hope this board learned last year, ignore whole-game preseason stats and instead, trust what your eyes see.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 7:45 pm to VetteGuy
What happened to Kevin Williams?
Anyone think Onyemata can rotate in at tackle some? Especially on passing downs. Cam, Rankins, Onyemata and Kikaha would be a nice defensive line on 3rd and 5+.
Anyone think Onyemata can rotate in at tackle some? Especially on passing downs. Cam, Rankins, Onyemata and Kikaha would be a nice defensive line on 3rd and 5+.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 8:28 pm to Suntiger
If we can just hold opposing runners to 3.8-4.2 YPC and get maybe 40 sacks, I think DA should be Coordinator of the Year.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 9:08 pm to Suntiger
When they say Onyemata is going to play TACKLE and some END.... they are meaning he'll be lining up anywhere between the 3, and 5. Taking on guards and tackles, usually 1v1, straight ahead at the B or C gap.
He's not a true edge rusher (5-9), or a big pile mover (0-3)...
He has good speed and agility, that will allow him to move to the sideline in run support and pass coverage, as an end. Good size, push, and lateral quickness to get off the blocks as a tackle.
He won't be asked to go get the QB as an END, and he won't be asked to take on double teams or stuff the run as a TACKLE.
3rd and 5 is a tough down to call. Field position matters more at the time.
2nd or 3rd down and 1-3 yards, where you need run support and coverage to the flat.... Onyemata could make a DAMN good option at the 5-tech to the short side of the field. You'd have Jordan/Fairley/Jenkins/Onyemata on the line.
3rd and long, in a true 4-3 base, you could see him inside as another 3-tech option. Only run defense he'll have to give is on a draw, but he can pursue if the play breaks down. You'd have Jordan/Fairley/Onyemata/Richardson.
1st or 2nd and 10, base, you'll want Fairley/Rankins flanked by Cam/Bobby, or if you are shifting UNDER to rush the edge.... Jordan/Jenkins/Fairley/Kikaha
I doubt you'll see many occasions where we'll have more than 1 of Rankins, Onyemata, Kikaha on the field at a time this year. Maybe in the future.
He's not a true edge rusher (5-9), or a big pile mover (0-3)...
He has good speed and agility, that will allow him to move to the sideline in run support and pass coverage, as an end. Good size, push, and lateral quickness to get off the blocks as a tackle.
He won't be asked to go get the QB as an END, and he won't be asked to take on double teams or stuff the run as a TACKLE.
3rd and 5 is a tough down to call. Field position matters more at the time.
2nd or 3rd down and 1-3 yards, where you need run support and coverage to the flat.... Onyemata could make a DAMN good option at the 5-tech to the short side of the field. You'd have Jordan/Fairley/Jenkins/Onyemata on the line.
3rd and long, in a true 4-3 base, you could see him inside as another 3-tech option. Only run defense he'll have to give is on a draw, but he can pursue if the play breaks down. You'd have Jordan/Fairley/Onyemata/Richardson.
1st or 2nd and 10, base, you'll want Fairley/Rankins flanked by Cam/Bobby, or if you are shifting UNDER to rush the edge.... Jordan/Jenkins/Fairley/Kikaha
I doubt you'll see many occasions where we'll have more than 1 of Rankins, Onyemata, Kikaha on the field at a time this year. Maybe in the future.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 9:12 pm to patendedgmf
quote:
When they say Onyemata is going to play TACKLE and some END.... they are meaning he'll be lining up anywhere between the 3, and 5. Taking on guards and tackles, usually 1v1, straight ahead at the B or C gap.
He's not a true edge rusher (5-9), or a big pile mover (0-3)...
He has good speed and agility, that will allow him to move to the sideline in run support and pass coverage, as an end. Good size, push, and lateral quickness to get off the blocks as a tackle.
He won't be asked to go get the QB as an END, and he won't be asked to take on double teams or stuff the run as a TACKLE.
3rd and 5 is a tough down to call. Field position matters more at the time.
2nd or 3rd down and 1-3 yards, where you need run support and coverage to the flat.... Onyemata could make a DAMN good option at the 5-tech to the short side of the field. You'd have Jordan/Fairley/Jenkins/Onyemata on the line.
3rd and long, in a true 4-3 base, you could see him inside as another 3-tech option. Only run defense he'll have to give is on a draw, but he can pursue if the play breaks down. You'd have Jordan/Fairley/Onyemata/Richardson.
1st or 2nd and 10, base, you'll want Fairley/Rankins flanked by Cam/Bobby, or if you are shifting UNDER to rush the edge.... Jordan/Jenkins/Fairley/Kikaha
I doubt you'll see many occasions where we'll have more than 1 of Rankins, Onyemata, Kikaha on the field at a time this year. Maybe in the future.
This post was edited on 5/15/16 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 5/15/16 at 9:18 pm to Hoodoo Man
ELI5 for Onyemata:
HE BIG, and HE FAST...
HE NO CONSISTENT PASS RUSH, HE NO CONSISTENT BLOCK SHED.
HE VERY GOOD WHEN PLAY BREAK DOWN.
HE GOOD TACKLER IN OPEN FIELD.
HE PLAY TACKLE WHEN OTHER TEAM NEEDS MANY YARDS.
HE PLAY END WHEN OTHER TEAM NEEDS NOT SO MANY YARDS.
HE BIG, and HE FAST...
HE NO CONSISTENT PASS RUSH, HE NO CONSISTENT BLOCK SHED.
HE VERY GOOD WHEN PLAY BREAK DOWN.
HE GOOD TACKLER IN OPEN FIELD.
HE PLAY TACKLE WHEN OTHER TEAM NEEDS MANY YARDS.
HE PLAY END WHEN OTHER TEAM NEEDS NOT SO MANY YARDS.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 9:50 pm to patendedgmf
Well, you didn't have to shout.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 11:06 pm to cbree88
quote:
I hate seeing him get washed out so easily when defending the run.
Dude stands straight up on the snap most of the time . When he plays with leverage, he isn't bad. Not sure if it's bad coaching or effort with Jenkins
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:55 pm to Rand AlThor
Jenkins is hot garbage. The fact that he's still on the team speaks volumes about just how bad off we are depth wise.
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