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re: Someone explain the Graham trade to me

Posted on 3/10/15 at 6:57 pm to
Posted by SuperSaint
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 6:57 pm to
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have the patriots ever signed a guy to a big deal then dealt him the next year? usually they deal the guys at the end of deals or let them wal
Obviously it wasn't ideal, but I don't think it was a bad deal. We probably won't know what the Saints saw in the facility with his injury and whatnot...

I don't hate the deal

We needed a center and hopefully can finally actually draft well.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 6:57 pm to
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Could they not have got more than Unger and a 4th rounder?



I bet my life and my posting career they could get more than that.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278324 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 6:58 pm to
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I don't think it was really about cap space




that was a big part of it.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
31577 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:00 pm to
Pretty sure it was a first not a fourth
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158757 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:00 pm to
So once unger inevitablly goes down we're back to plugging random dipshits at C.

I'd have no problem with trading Graham, but I can't believe this deal was the best we could do. frick I'm sure we could have tricked the Raiders into something.

We strengthened a competitior without making ourselves any better to do it.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
Premium Member
Member since Aug 2007
46883 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:01 pm to
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I'd have no problem with trading Graham, but I can't believe this deal was the best we could do.

This is the worst part.
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
51820 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:02 pm to
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Your team sucks worse. Whats your excuse?


I'm not making excuses for our shitty GM. I wanted his arse gone before Smitty. We've got a Tahoe under center, a Mercedes out wide, and they're both blocked in the driveway by a bunch of fricking Pintos.

Difference is, I can call a spade a spade. Half your fanbase is coming around to realize what others have been saying about Loomis for years. He's borrowed off his arse, and now it's time to pay up.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:03 pm to
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We strengthened a competitior without making ourselves any better to do it.


Holy frick. That is just moronic. Even for you.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
34897 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:03 pm to
Why is everyone dismissing JG's salary when considering what we could have gotten in return?

We don't want to pay a tight end 10 million dollars, but every other team in the league is ready to surrender a king's ransom to do so? That makes no sense.

We received fair value, IMO.
Posted by Lake Vegas Tiger
Lake Vegas
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:04 pm to
Weak attempt to troll
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158757 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:06 pm to
I'm sorry sid, how did we improve today ?
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
51820 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:07 pm to
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I don't think it was really about cap space


It was everything to do with cap space. He was 8/9/10 million against it over the next 3 years, and it was obvious that you all couldn't Brees to Jimmy it to overcome the other deficiencies because of the bad draft picks.

Loomis mortgaged the future a few years ago to maximize Drew's window, and it didn't work out. I understand front offices' who can't draft for shite unfortunately.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13365 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:08 pm to
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I'm sorry sid, how did we improve today ?


that's the freaking problem with just grading one trade at the beginning of free agency.

Once all the moves are complete, then you can ask the question about whether or not we improved.

This is a different situation if this trade occured during the season
Posted by Rickety Cricket
Premium Member
Member since Aug 2007
46883 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:08 pm to
O/U on how many games before Unger is injured?
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158757 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:11 pm to
Fair enough but as of right now, for a team with a very limited window I'm not seeing how trading away your best weapon for an oft injured C and a low first helps us too much. But hey can't wait to see what mediocre DB we nab with the pick!
Posted by LSUZombie
A Cemetery Near You
Member since Apr 2008
28904 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:11 pm to
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O/U on how many games before Unger is injured?


Could easily say the same for Graham
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422404 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:11 pm to
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Why is everyone dismissing JG's salary when considering what we could have gotten in return?

365 days ago this front office was happy to have him at that salary and he was a FA last year, so his value based on salary was higher

quote:

We don't want to pay a tight end 10 million dollars, but every other team in the league is ready to surrender a king's ransom to do so?

well a front office that has built a much better, more consistent team than our front office is OK with it...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422404 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:13 pm to
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that's the freaking problem with just grading one trade at the beginning of free agency.

most everyone is grading the signing of jimmy graham more than this trade today...and this trade today signals that it was a mistake
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13365 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:13 pm to
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But hey can't wait to see what mediocre DB we nab with the pick!


different discussion for a different thread, I'm convinced they are going the Dallas model, and getting another OG with the first pick, then a LB with the second pick.
Posted by tibebecolston
Member since Mar 2013
4134 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:15 pm to
Stanley Jean is going to be all pro this year.
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