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re: Some interesting tidbits from Matt Miller regarding draft
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:21 am to drake20
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:21 am to drake20
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...but this team could use Hardy for a season or two.
I wouldn't argue against that, but I really don't want to see them pick a guy that could be a ticking bomb (again injuries, intelligence, failed drug test, etc. take your pick) in the first.
32 wouldn't have me screaming how stupid they are, but it would sit better with me at 42 where 32 is used on a guy who may actually last 5 years.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:50 am to drake20
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Suspended for targeting?
When 90% of your tackles are made leading with the crown of your helmet and you're flagged and fined for targeting after a few, suspensions come.
And you conveniently avoid the question of how many times do you see himhave to shed blocks at Alabama?
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 1:52 am
Posted on 4/22/17 at 7:43 am to LSUZombie
I'd think long and hard about Foster at 32 if he's there. Day 1 starter. 42 would be even better using 32 on a CB .
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 7:44 am
Posted on 4/22/17 at 8:00 am to SlowurRole
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It's more likely he'll be Defensive ROTY
Nah, That'll go to Jamal Adams
Posted on 4/22/17 at 8:14 am to Carville
And the flags will come...he will not get away with targeting on the NFL like he did at bama
Posted on 4/22/17 at 8:42 am to THRILLHO
Member when the hot take was to say cook>> fournette
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:34 am to drake20
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Classic, clear stud that some lucky team gets a great deal on cause "character concerns". Happens every year.
Yeah, the Cowboys taking Randy Gregory after his fall due to failed drug test & other character concerns, has worked out extremely well for them. It's the same posters who had a hard on for Gregory, are the same ones saying take Foster. It's like they haven't learned anything from the prior situation. Foster's urine sample didn't come back positive for drugs or performance enhancers, it was diluted but he will still begin his career in the leagues substance abuse program. The chances of him failing again become much greater which would lead to a 4 game suspension.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:36 am to Carville
Think about this:
In the last 2 months RF has be a whirling dervish of tabloid crap....
What have we NOT heard of in the past 3 years at Alabama?
The Pic of him in high school sleeping on a desk standing up--that was 3 years ago...not much has changed as far as maturity.
He is a known cheap shot artist...cannot get himself under control. On or off the field.
And trust me PED suspension will be on the horizon....for RF
Now mix that with the streets of New Orleans. A great city but you need to be a thinking man or you could be on WWL at 10 pm......
Mix in he will need to be at NFL team meetings on time, meet team rules, etc.. He will have millions in his pocket, do you think that guy is going to be about anything other than trouble.
RF has talent.....if and WHEN he is on the field is the problem.
In the last 2 months RF has be a whirling dervish of tabloid crap....
What have we NOT heard of in the past 3 years at Alabama?
The Pic of him in high school sleeping on a desk standing up--that was 3 years ago...not much has changed as far as maturity.
He is a known cheap shot artist...cannot get himself under control. On or off the field.
And trust me PED suspension will be on the horizon....for RF
Now mix that with the streets of New Orleans. A great city but you need to be a thinking man or you could be on WWL at 10 pm......
Mix in he will need to be at NFL team meetings on time, meet team rules, etc.. He will have millions in his pocket, do you think that guy is going to be about anything other than trouble.
RF has talent.....if and WHEN he is on the field is the problem.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:53 am to Lilpickles
There were also rumored problems on a recruiting trip to Auburn when he was supposedly committed to Auburn. The rumor was that he spent most of his OV trashing Auburn for Alabama even though he had the coaches convinced he was going to play for Auburn. He was sent home from the trip and went straight to Alabama to brag about it.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 10:27 am to NOSHAU
His Shenanigans list is probably a mile long......
The narrative was controlled the last three years.....or he would have been suspended the whole time...
The narrative was controlled the last three years.....or he would have been suspended the whole time...
Posted on 4/22/17 at 10:44 am to THRILLHO
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I disagree. I think that we have solid depth, but it hasn't been realized due to injuries (particularly in the secondary). I think that the only positions that we're REALLY desperate at are at weakside DE (lack of talent + Kikaha injuries) and CB (mostly just injuries).
We lack top proven talent at CB (only Breaux has shown to play at a high level) but have a lot of guys that are capable. PJ has shown flashes. Swann has had a long stretch of playing well. But, yeah, I don't trust either to last a season. I do trust having ONE of the two being available. And I still think that one of De'Vante Harris or Crawley will turn out as a good enough 4th or 5th CB.
We're pretty set at OL (5 good starters + Kelemete as a strong backup at pretty much any position). Any pick would be a future Strief (who is still good) replacement.
We're deep at DT. Onyemata showed some legit promise and is probably being groomed as a tweener DT/DE.
Definitely could use a safety. KV has SS on lock, but one injury and we could be in trouble, plus he's a FA. Bell has shown flashes, though he may be more of a SS. Bush is an adequate starter. It's a solid safety draft, doe.
Need another RB, but those are a dime a dozen. Pretty sure we can get Peterson for ~$3m if we don't draft a RB.
We don't have any really good LB's, but we have guys that aren't terrible. I consider LB to be the least important position on defense, so whatever.
Summed up: I think we desperately need a RDE. In a dream world, Breaux is absolutely a stud and PJ has shown enough to be a #2CB, but injuries say we need another CB. Unless the front office REALLY trusts Bell, we also need a FS. Those are the only 3 positions that we are desperate at. Obviously we can squeeze those needs in the top 5 picks (in the first 3 rounds). Given that we always kill it in UDFA, I don't think that we need more draft picks than we currently have.
ETA: And I don't mean to say that we can't improve on these positions, I'm just saying that pick #154, 196, and 229 are going to struggle to beat out the likes of Swann, Landon Turner, Erik Harris, etc...
This is damn good post. We really don't have a lot of depth spots available. QB, FB, TE, Center & the left side of the line, DT, DE, LB, & CB don't require anymore depth. Basically I'm saying that a 6th/7th round pick has a very low chance to beat out our current players at these positions(I'd take 2 DE's in the top 3 rounds, but I wouldn't use the 6th/7th on one). You can stash them on the practice squad, but then you risk another team stealing them away from you.
RB, WR, RG(if Landon Turner doesn't show up), RT, & S are really the only positions that a 6th/7th round pick would likely make the team. We might even take a RB, RT, or Safety in the top 3 rounds. If we draft a RT & Safety in the top 3 rounds...we're most likely done at those positions in the draft.
RB(even if we draft 1 by the 3rd round) & WR are actually the perfect positions to target in the 6th/7th round. 2 positions where we don't need a starter, but need legit depth. Ingram & Lasco are the only 2 RB's that are locks...it would be nice to get 1 guy to split carries with Ingram & another guy to beat out Cadet as our 3rd down back/receiving back. That would make 4 RB's. We know that we have 4 definite WR's(I include Coleman b/c of his blocking & he's also a huge target). Getting a gadget type WR that can be a big play guy or a returner would be very beneficial to this team. Tommylee Lewis was decent for an udfa last year, but he isn't guaranteed anything. He can also be stashed on the practice squad in necessary.
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 11:18 am
Posted on 4/22/17 at 11:05 am to LSUZombie
If we go defense at #11 and #32, you can all but assure we will go offense with our next three picks.
And if the draft falls to where it's:
#11 - Jonathan Allen (reports he's dropping)
#32 - Reuben Foster
#42 - Cook or Mixon
Then the Saints have theoretically set themselves up for a great season and future.
And if the draft falls to where it's:
#11 - Jonathan Allen (reports he's dropping)
#32 - Reuben Foster
#42 - Cook or Mixon
Then the Saints have theoretically set themselves up for a great season and future.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 11:12 am to LSUZombie
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If we go defense at #11 and #32, you can all but assure we will go offense with our next three picks.
And if the draft falls to where it's:
#11 - Jonathan Allen (reports he's dropping)
#32 - Reuben Foster
#42 - Cook or Mixon
We would still need a CB & Safety(LB as well if the FO thinks he can beat out our current players). On offense, the only need left would be a RT. I wouldn't put it past CSP to do that, but I'd really like to draft 3 on defense & 2 on offense with our 1st 5 picks. I wouldn't even complain if we went 4 on defense & 1 on offense.
Unfortunately, you'll probably end up being right.
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 11:30 am
Posted on 4/22/17 at 11:17 am to GMoney2600
I think you can pencil in a RB, OT, and WR somewhere in this draft
1st round - DE, CB
2nd round - RB
3rd round - OT, WR
Edit: no 4th
1st round - DE, CB
2nd round - RB
3rd round - OT, WR
Edit: no 4th
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 11:32 am
Posted on 4/22/17 at 11:17 am to LSUZombie
Don't want Cook. The more I looked and the more I heard there is very good reason he "dropped" from possible top 10 to likely not first.
I'd go Mixon if they were comfortable with his side of the story, or his teammate Samaje Perine in the third.
Though Perine is more like Peterson and we'd have to lean on Ingram, Lasco, and (sigh) Cadet in the pass game. Also means we likely don't sign Peterson.
I'd go Mixon if they were comfortable with his side of the story, or his teammate Samaje Perine in the third.
Though Perine is more like Peterson and we'd have to lean on Ingram, Lasco, and (sigh) Cadet in the pass game. Also means we likely don't sign Peterson.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 11:28 am to LSUZombie
I don't think we have a 4th. I wouldn't be surprised if we traded into it though...like last year. We'd probably have to give up like our 2018 4th, 2017 6th, & 2017 7th to do so.
That would actually be a perfect spot to trade up for a RB target that falls to the 4th round. RB is LOADED in the middle of the draft, so more than 1 guy is going to fall right into this area. 4th round is where the value at RB is(kind of like DE/CB at 32/42). Most of the legit guys will be gone by the 5th most likely. Gotta take advantage of the devalued position.
That would actually be a perfect spot to trade up for a RB target that falls to the 4th round. RB is LOADED in the middle of the draft, so more than 1 guy is going to fall right into this area. 4th round is where the value at RB is(kind of like DE/CB at 32/42). Most of the legit guys will be gone by the 5th most likely. Gotta take advantage of the devalued position.
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 11:41 am
Posted on 4/22/17 at 11:31 am to GMoney2600
Yep, you're right. No 4th. It's a 4th and 5th we don't have.
This may be the year of a trade down to acquire more picks. Can see #32 being lucrative
This may be the year of a trade down to acquire more picks. Can see #32 being lucrative
Posted on 4/22/17 at 11:34 am to bonethug0108
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Don't want Cook. The more I looked and the more I heard there is very good reason he "dropped" from possible top 10 to likely not first.
Agree. Don't want him even at 42. I'd rather take a chance with Mixon & hope he's given up smackin women around.
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Though Perine is more like Peterson and we'd have to lean on Ingram, Lasco, and (sigh) Cadet in the pass game. Also means we likely don't sign Peterson.
Yea, if we get Peterson or a guy like Perine in the 3rd...hopefully we can find a legit 3rd down back in the 6th/7th. It would be nice to finally be able to rid ourselves from Cadet.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 11:46 am to GMoney2600
I'm just ready for the draft to get here.
At 11, unless someone falls, I think it comes down to McCaffrey, Reddick, or Barnett.
At 11, unless someone falls, I think it comes down to McCaffrey, Reddick, or Barnett.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 11:47 am to LSUZombie
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Foster falls to "Myles Jack" range
I don't want him in the first.
But if we kept our 32 pick....nabbed Lattimore at 11, Charlton, Barnett, Harris or Watt at 32 and then snagged Foster at 42, I could die knowing the Saints had a hell of a draft in my lifetime.
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