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re: Saints stole Terron, contract #'s released REVISED #'s btm.pg 3
Posted on 5/4/16 at 11:30 am to bonethug0108
Posted on 5/4/16 at 11:30 am to bonethug0108
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He wasn't going to play on the tag
oh yes he would have. guys don't pass on 14-15 million. possibly would have done in begrudgingly but they always play on tag if needed.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 11:39 am to Chad504boy
They didn't steal him. He's still being paid top 5 money. I'm not a fan of giving contracts out like this coming up on contract years unless you get them at a real bargain. We didn't get him at a bargain or "stole" him. In the money league we're in today it's hard to know who's going to get fat and sit on their money. Not suggesting Armstead is that guy but I'd rather him continue to work his arse off to get paid even if it ended up costing us a little more.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 11:41 am to deuce985
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They didn't steal him. He's still being paid top 5 money. I'm not a fan of giving contracts out like this coming up on contract years unless you get them at a real bargain. We didn't get him at a bargain or "stole" him. In the money league we're in today it's hard to know who's going to get fat and sit on their money. Not suggesting Armstead is that guy but I'd rather him continue to work his arse off to get paid even if it ended up costing us a little more.
If this is your take on it, then all you are suggesting is paying him a lot more, but delaying him "sitting on his arse" by one year.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 11:46 am to mattgr1983
At least we'll get another year of amazing production out of him at a cheap price rather than taking risk like injury this year. That could be the turning point in a playoff game compared to him just deciding to sit up on his money costing us down the road. Not that I think the playoffs are going to be in reach with this team but still...the point stands.
They have positives for us doing this but I feel like players get the better end of these deals than the organization. I like Armstead. He's done nothing but work hard and improve since he's been here. I'm not mad by the deal at all just saying I'm never a fan of doing this unless it's for a franchise QB. Would've been nice if Brees was worked on before Armstead then this deal might make more sense. Brees is going to molest this organization if he hits FA market next year. He's going to make second string nobody QBs getting paid 18 million a year laughable because the entire market will shift again for 1 player. Not that I'll complain about it because he deserves it but he needed to be priority here before Armstead. I guess maybe he's not willing to resign yet because he knows the $$$ opportunity ahead.
They have positives for us doing this but I feel like players get the better end of these deals than the organization. I like Armstead. He's done nothing but work hard and improve since he's been here. I'm not mad by the deal at all just saying I'm never a fan of doing this unless it's for a franchise QB. Would've been nice if Brees was worked on before Armstead then this deal might make more sense. Brees is going to molest this organization if he hits FA market next year. He's going to make second string nobody QBs getting paid 18 million a year laughable because the entire market will shift again for 1 player. Not that I'll complain about it because he deserves it but he needed to be priority here before Armstead. I guess maybe he's not willing to resign yet because he knows the $$$ opportunity ahead.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 11:50 am
Posted on 5/4/16 at 11:50 am to Chad504boy
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oh yes he would have. guys don't pass on 14-15 million. possibly would have done in begrudgingly but they always play on tag if needed.
Tag is going to be around $14 mil, not $15 mil.
And I'm not saying he wouldn't sign the tag. I said the Saints don't leave guys on the tag. It happened with Brees and with Graham. We don't want to tag them two years in a row. It costs us money doing so.
We tag them once and work out the deal the same year. We never let them play on the tag.
But what we would like to do is what we did here (and with guys like Cam and Galette) and extend then before it gets to the tag. Just depends on how hardball the agent plays it. Brees and Jimmy's agents were squeezing us.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 11:56 am
Posted on 5/4/16 at 11:53 am to bonethug0108
I will say that I like this organization wants to solidify a strong offensive line. I wish they had that mentality at G this offseason because the guys they have there now will not cut it. I'm sorry but Lelito is not that good. He's a liability that gets Brees killed so much in the pass game. I'm surprised Unger is even capable considering how bad both G positions were last season.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 11:59 am to deuce985
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I'm not a fan of giving contracts out like this coming up on contract years unless you get them at a real bargain. We didn't get him at a bargain or "stole" him.
I agree with this. I don't mind the contract numbers and I am sure they wanted to appease Armstead who isn't making much, but I would have made him play out the year and then given him an extra $1-2M per/yr next offseason.
You save money by making him play out the last bargain year of the rookie contract and there are no LT's that are going to reset the market in 2017.
ETA - I understand the main part of getting him extended is to have certainty and to ensure that a playerwho has significantly outplayed his contract the last couple of years remains happy.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 5/4/16 at 12:00 pm to bonethug0108
In Chad's defense though neither Graham nor Drew signed deals that had averaged their tagged price over the course of their contracts. Both deals averaged more than the tag for a QB and TE at that time.
Don't quote me but wasn't the QB tag near 17 and TE tags near 8 when Drew signed his 20 per and Graham his 10?
Don't quote me but wasn't the QB tag near 17 and TE tags near 8 when Drew signed his 20 per and Graham his 10?
Posted on 5/4/16 at 12:04 pm to deuce985
Our front office does a lot of stupid shite, this isn't stupid.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 12:09 pm to partywiththelombardi
We had to cave with Drew. No way we could let that go another year (which he was fully prepared to let happen as the tag would have gone up even more than the $20 mil he got).
Jimmy was more because of the TE/WR bullshite. And it was still a lot closer to the TE tag (maybe $1 mil per year more max).
Armstead is neither Brees nor confused about his position. Next year (if he played well again) the deal would have been for around the tag price. So we saved a bit. That's a bargin not a steal.
Edit:
Brees' tag was $16.3 mil, but would have jumped to $23.5 mil the next year. He was prepared to take it that far if we didn't compromise. That's over a $7 mil difference.
Jimmy's tag wouldn't have jumped that much.
Jimmy was more because of the TE/WR bullshite. And it was still a lot closer to the TE tag (maybe $1 mil per year more max).
Armstead is neither Brees nor confused about his position. Next year (if he played well again) the deal would have been for around the tag price. So we saved a bit. That's a bargin not a steal.
Edit:
Brees' tag was $16.3 mil, but would have jumped to $23.5 mil the next year. He was prepared to take it that far if we didn't compromise. That's over a $7 mil difference.
Jimmy's tag wouldn't have jumped that much.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 5/4/16 at 12:28 pm to bonethug0108
Dude you just making assumptions and throwing out as factual
Posted on 5/4/16 at 12:32 pm to Chad504boy
Don't get what all the arguing is about. He's a top five LT and got paid as such. Honestly I was expecting for it to be for much more. I wouldn't of had a problem if it made the top paid Tackle. He's a star and pro bowler for years to come. About time we lock our stars up instead of them leaving and contributing elsewhere!
Posted on 5/4/16 at 12:37 pm to TooDumbToFail
The only arguing is over Chad's obtuse use of stole.
Practically everyone agrees it's a very good contract.
Practically everyone agrees it's a very good contract.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 12:37 pm to TooDumbToFail
Did not realize the contract runs through 2021 so it is a true extension. He plays out 2016 under his current rate which is awesome and I doubt the extension affects the cap at all this year. That makes it a much better deal.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 12:40 pm to TooDumbToFail
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About time we lock our stars up instead of them leaving and contributing elsewhere!
Missed this part. When do we ever do this?
Our problem is the opposite. We retain far too many of our own players instead of letting them go elsewhere.
We are near the tops in the league in retaining our better players.
Other than maybe a guy like Tom Johnson I'm struggling to think of another starter we didn't give a second contract to (unless you count Bush but we didn't let him walk; it was a trade).
Posted on 5/4/16 at 12:43 pm to NOFOX
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I doubt the extension affects the cap at all this year.
Between not having much cap room to take on more costs and him making near the minimum in base salary so as to have no true purpose in trying to cut it down, I highly doubt this year was touched in any way.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:09 pm to Chad504boy
Extremely happy with this resigning. Dude will make All-Pro several times down the line.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:11 pm to Geralt of Rantia
Not if he gets the same treatment Colsto got from the national media
Remember, those awards are mostly given out based on hype and name recognition
Remember, those awards are mostly given out based on hype and name recognition
Posted on 5/4/16 at 8:30 pm to Chad504boy
damn, wish they would put one over on me too.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 9:16 am to RightHook
Aaron Wilson ?@AaronWilson_NFL 2m2 minutes ago
Terron Armstead Saints deal: $66.671 million, $38M gtd, $11M signing bonus, salaries $620K, $4.2M, $10.2M, $10.7M, $10.7M, $10.15M
different numbers, the poster who heard from a saint source at an event was right on money, he said he heard 66
ian rap blows
Terron Armstead Saints deal: $66.671 million, $38M gtd, $11M signing bonus, salaries $620K, $4.2M, $10.2M, $10.7M, $10.7M, $10.15M
different numbers, the poster who heard from a saint source at an event was right on money, he said he heard 66
ian rap blows
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