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re: Saints open with a win total of 8.5
Posted on 4/30/17 at 11:38 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 4/30/17 at 11:38 pm to GumboPot
quote:
Tampa will probably win the NFC South this year.
they close out the season like this:
vs. ATL (Monday Night Football)
@ Carolina
vs. New Orleans
Atlanta mean while concludes like this:
vs. Saints
@ Bucs
@ Saints
vs. Panthers
that should be interesting.
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Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:11 am to DallasTiger45
I'd go under because I think best case we go 3-3 in division but more likely 2-4
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:14 am to DallasTiger45
Two huge things being overlooked are the SB loser's hangover (especially when it's the biggest collapse in sports history blowing a 28-3 lead with 18 minutes left) and Car losing DC Sean McDermott to a head coaching job.
Car and Atl are going to be different teams this year.
TB is going to be interesting to watch.
Meanwhile our coaching staff was addition by subtraction, and we lost the least amount of impact players in the division (just Cooks) while adding a ton of pieces on both sides.
Edit:
Forgot Atl losing Shanahan. Combine that with the hangover and they are doomed.
So both Atl and Car lost their best coordinator.
Car and Atl are going to be different teams this year.
TB is going to be interesting to watch.
Meanwhile our coaching staff was addition by subtraction, and we lost the least amount of impact players in the division (just Cooks) while adding a ton of pieces on both sides.
Edit:
Forgot Atl losing Shanahan. Combine that with the hangover and they are doomed.
So both Atl and Car lost their best coordinator.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 1:25 am
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:20 am to SirWinston
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best case we go 3-3 in division but more likely 2-4
ATL lost the best thing about their offense (Shannahan) and I feel confident we can take at least one from them, especially since the first game we get against them will be a home game. Plus, SB hangover.
I feel very confident we can still handle Tampa Bay. Their offense will be better, but Jameis isn't Cam level good yet and is still inconsistent. And their running game isn't going to be any better. Plus, their defense is almost as bad as ours and they did little to make it better through FA or the draft.
Carolina is the only team that worries me. Their offense will be better with Samuel and CM and their D is always tough.
The NFC South will be one of the toughest divisions in the NFL. But let's not forget, we got better this offseason too. We made some sneaky good signings. None of the splash signings like getting a Desean Jackson or adding McCaffrey in the draft. But we added players that will make a difference. Warford, AP, Ginn Jr. and Okafor may not be eye candy but they make us better. How much better will remain to be seen.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:25 am to WicKed WayZ
Like me forgetting about Shanahan, I think you forgot Car losing McDermott.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:29 am to bonethug0108
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Meanwhile our coaching staff was addition by subtraction, and we lost the least amount of impact players in the division (just Cooks) while adding a ton of pieces on both sides.
This, I mean we lost Evans but gained Warford. We lost Cooks (a blow for sure) but added Ginn Jr. (who had 10 TDs a year ago) and Adrian fricking Peterson. We also added the second best pass catching RB in the draft behind McCaffrey in Alvin Kamara.
Our offense might not be as explosive without Cooks, and he will be missed, but it should be more controlling, more powerful and more methodical. We have 3 legit RBs and a top 5 offensive line in the NFL. I also think people are undervaluing Ginn Jr. He is no Cooks but he's still fast as shite and can be as good as Snead. Oh and we have a guy named Drew Brees.
Defensively, we lost Byrd but basically only added new players. We added Klein, Teo, Anzalone, Williams, Lattimore, Okafor, Hendrickson and Bush. I mean I guess safety could be a downgrade because we lost Byrd and added a rookie who will likely start. But I just don't see how anyone can think we can't at least be better on defense with our additions.
Actually, if Williams can be our Michael Thomas esqe second round pick for the defense, and Lattimore stays healthy and produces as well as Rankins did last season, I don't see how we COULDNT be better on defense.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 1:32 am
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:43 am to WicKed WayZ
I don't count a 25 yard deep statue as a loss.
Williams has to be an upgrade and we haven't even seen him yet. I mean Bell was already an upgrade but he should be SS now. And forgot Bush. He's an upgrade too.
Kikaha is also an "addition" after missing last year. Hell you can count PJ and almost count Breaux as additions on defense.
These are the starters we lost and who's replacing them:
Evans - Warford (should be an upgrade)
Cooks - Ginn (downgrade but still put up over 730 yards each of the last two years as well as 14 total tds)
Kruger - Kikaha, Okafor, and Hendrickson (definite upgrade over the 1.5 sacks Kruger had; may need to mix in a big body like Onyemata against heavy sets)
Webb - Lattimore, Breaux, and Williams (all are upgrades)
Byrd - Bush and Williams (both should be upgrades)
Only one spot is a clear downgrade, but it shouldn't be a huge drop off and we like to spread the ball and have the players to do that with.
Defense should all be upgrades. Even if the rookies aren't ready or turn bust we have vets who should all be better than their predecessors.
Only other "key" loss was Hightower, who was replaced with just some guy named Peterson and rookie Kamara.
And I forgot to mention Hooman is another "addition" after missing last year.
Williams has to be an upgrade and we haven't even seen him yet. I mean Bell was already an upgrade but he should be SS now. And forgot Bush. He's an upgrade too.
Kikaha is also an "addition" after missing last year. Hell you can count PJ and almost count Breaux as additions on defense.
These are the starters we lost and who's replacing them:
Evans - Warford (should be an upgrade)
Cooks - Ginn (downgrade but still put up over 730 yards each of the last two years as well as 14 total tds)
Kruger - Kikaha, Okafor, and Hendrickson (definite upgrade over the 1.5 sacks Kruger had; may need to mix in a big body like Onyemata against heavy sets)
Webb - Lattimore, Breaux, and Williams (all are upgrades)
Byrd - Bush and Williams (both should be upgrades)
Only one spot is a clear downgrade, but it shouldn't be a huge drop off and we like to spread the ball and have the players to do that with.
Defense should all be upgrades. Even if the rookies aren't ready or turn bust we have vets who should all be better than their predecessors.
Only other "key" loss was Hightower, who was replaced with just some guy named Peterson and rookie Kamara.
And I forgot to mention Hooman is another "addition" after missing last year.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 2:00 am
Posted on 5/1/17 at 2:54 am to bonethug0108
While I don't disagree with you - except your 45-50 sack projection which is ridiculous - you have to understand other teams have attempted to improve their rosters as well.
ATL was in SB last season - and God bless them, they made the most impressive collapse in Superbowl history. Superbowl hangover and loss of Shanahan =/= guaranteed shite team.
CAR was in SB 2 seasons ago - and God bless them as well for crapping out as well - but dismissing them is juvenile.
BUCS are an upstart and a good paper team, we'll see what the production is.
Point being, even with black and gold bias, the last 2 NFC Superbowl participants (haha) were from NFC South. As much as pundits have soured on NFC South in preseason, the truth is in the results.
These are teams to contend with that have made their own moves as well. Other divisions have been promoted by pundits in the past, with less success.
Saints haven't touched the playoffs in 3 straight seasons, they need to figure it out and figure it out fast. NFC South isn't going to lay down all of a sudden.
ATL was in SB last season - and God bless them, they made the most impressive collapse in Superbowl history. Superbowl hangover and loss of Shanahan =/= guaranteed shite team.
CAR was in SB 2 seasons ago - and God bless them as well for crapping out as well - but dismissing them is juvenile.
BUCS are an upstart and a good paper team, we'll see what the production is.
Point being, even with black and gold bias, the last 2 NFC Superbowl participants (haha) were from NFC South. As much as pundits have soured on NFC South in preseason, the truth is in the results.
These are teams to contend with that have made their own moves as well. Other divisions have been promoted by pundits in the past, with less success.
Saints haven't touched the playoffs in 3 straight seasons, they need to figure it out and figure it out fast. NFC South isn't going to lay down all of a sudden.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 3:09 am to drizztiger
And all I'm saying is, on paper, all of our moves are far better than what Atl and Car did, and still better than what TB did though I do think they improved.
The loss of a good coordinator is huge, and both Atl and Car lost the one on the side of the ball they are known for. You see it every year a team will lose a great coordinator and they start rolling downhill. The first year may just be a couple of games, but by the second year they start losing that identity.
Meanwhile we shipped off coaches that should have long been gone (minus losing WR coach Morton, but we only replaced him with at least an equally good coach in the returning Johnson) and added a great coach (maybe not head coach but he ain't that here) in Nolan. Any coach would be an upgrade over McMahon. We'll see on the DL coach.
And that's just the coaches. I already touched on our players but when I get time I'll go over what the other teams gained/lost.
The loss of a good coordinator is huge, and both Atl and Car lost the one on the side of the ball they are known for. You see it every year a team will lose a great coordinator and they start rolling downhill. The first year may just be a couple of games, but by the second year they start losing that identity.
Meanwhile we shipped off coaches that should have long been gone (minus losing WR coach Morton, but we only replaced him with at least an equally good coach in the returning Johnson) and added a great coach (maybe not head coach but he ain't that here) in Nolan. Any coach would be an upgrade over McMahon. We'll see on the DL coach.
And that's just the coaches. I already touched on our players but when I get time I'll go over what the other teams gained/lost.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 3:10 am
Posted on 5/1/17 at 4:35 am to bonethug0108
You guys made great points about Atlanta and Carolina losing key coaches. And Carolina has to face the Fortyniners as well as the Bills. There is at least one loss due to coaching. Shanahan coached Atlanta but he knows the NFC South.
We have 4 tough games to open the season. We might start off slow and not look very good on defense. I will blame that on inexperience because we will have alot of new pieces on defense. All new LBs, and 2 rookie safeties in the secondary. By week 5 if we are nearly injury free, we should start ptting something together in the next 3 quarters of football.
All those saying 8 or less doesnt make sense. I mean we sucked the last 3 years, changed the entire coaching staff, and got alot of depth and playmakers if they stay healthy. We sucked arse last year and all that might be only worth one more win? Im not buying that. I am not ready to say 10-6 or SB but 9 wins is perfectly reasonable.
We have 4 tough games to open the season. We might start off slow and not look very good on defense. I will blame that on inexperience because we will have alot of new pieces on defense. All new LBs, and 2 rookie safeties in the secondary. By week 5 if we are nearly injury free, we should start ptting something together in the next 3 quarters of football.
All those saying 8 or less doesnt make sense. I mean we sucked the last 3 years, changed the entire coaching staff, and got alot of depth and playmakers if they stay healthy. We sucked arse last year and all that might be only worth one more win? Im not buying that. I am not ready to say 10-6 or SB but 9 wins is perfectly reasonable.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 6:12 am to saintsfan1977
Just two rookies in the secondary not safeties. And I wouldn't say we changed our entire coaching staff up. We got rid of guys that no longer needed to be here and hired some good ones in their place. Nolan was a shite head coach and maybe a shite D.C. But he can coach the hell out of some LBs.
Nielsen is a younger guy that might not help scheme wise but he will insert some youthful energy to the staff and he's got to be hungry to prove himself coming from NC State. He should do well. Getting Curtis Johnson back as WR coach was huge too and underrated. He was here from 06-11.
Idk anything about the ST guy.
Nielsen is a younger guy that might not help scheme wise but he will insert some youthful energy to the staff and he's got to be hungry to prove himself coming from NC State. He should do well. Getting Curtis Johnson back as WR coach was huge too and underrated. He was here from 06-11.
Idk anything about the ST guy.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 6:19 am to bonethug0108
Here is my take.. and I project 10 wins right now, so in no way am I a pessimist.
Saints have helped themselves this off-season even if they tripped over their own feet to do it (Mahomes at 11 and Foster at 32).
I don't really buy in to Okafor/Kikaha tandem for what I think are right reasons: Okafor has 5.5 sacks last 2 seasons combined and Kikaha has 3 ACls to 4 career sacks. (and to guy that said he didn't have 3 ACLs, it's semantics.. he's had 3 separations and 3 surgeries.
Now, when I look at the sum of the parts on defense, I'm intrigued. Cam is elite, even with 7.5 sacks last season. He's an 8-12 sack guy waiting to happen. I don't get the ST hate on Rankins, he missed half last season and still pulled in 4 sacks. Fairley I'm meh on, only because last season's 6.5 sacks was career high and he's known to underachieve. There is a reason dude had been on 3 teams in 6 years and now just hit a payday.
But... with Lattimore hoping to lock down one CB spot and Williams hoping to really centerfield, moving Bell and Vaccaro down to better position spots is a 100% yes.
If Saints can get 3 healthy, serviceable LBs in base, and really just 2 in nickel, the defense can take leaps forward.
Ram solidifies the OL, which should be Top 3-5 for a couple of years. Kamara is a luxury piece because we still need to maintain the offensive prowess. Can;t expect the defense to go from historically bad to best in league.
As for the rest of the division, I already stated the truth. Underestimating your opponents is a mistake. The last 2 NFC Super Bowl LOSERS were from our division.
Saints have helped themselves this off-season even if they tripped over their own feet to do it (Mahomes at 11 and Foster at 32).
I don't really buy in to Okafor/Kikaha tandem for what I think are right reasons: Okafor has 5.5 sacks last 2 seasons combined and Kikaha has 3 ACls to 4 career sacks. (and to guy that said he didn't have 3 ACLs, it's semantics.. he's had 3 separations and 3 surgeries.
Now, when I look at the sum of the parts on defense, I'm intrigued. Cam is elite, even with 7.5 sacks last season. He's an 8-12 sack guy waiting to happen. I don't get the ST hate on Rankins, he missed half last season and still pulled in 4 sacks. Fairley I'm meh on, only because last season's 6.5 sacks was career high and he's known to underachieve. There is a reason dude had been on 3 teams in 6 years and now just hit a payday.
But... with Lattimore hoping to lock down one CB spot and Williams hoping to really centerfield, moving Bell and Vaccaro down to better position spots is a 100% yes.
If Saints can get 3 healthy, serviceable LBs in base, and really just 2 in nickel, the defense can take leaps forward.
Ram solidifies the OL, which should be Top 3-5 for a couple of years. Kamara is a luxury piece because we still need to maintain the offensive prowess. Can;t expect the defense to go from historically bad to best in league.
As for the rest of the division, I already stated the truth. Underestimating your opponents is a mistake. The last 2 NFC Super Bowl LOSERS were from our division.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 6:24 am to WicKed WayZ
I meant 2 rookies in the secondary thanks.
Bradford Banta ST, was one of the best Long snappers for 11 years in the NFL.
Asst ST coach with the Redskins and LB coach for the Lions
Redskins were ranked 4th in ST the 2 years he was there. Upgrade over McMahon.
Bradford Banta ST, was one of the best Long snappers for 11 years in the NFL.
Asst ST coach with the Redskins and LB coach for the Lions
Redskins were ranked 4th in ST the 2 years he was there. Upgrade over McMahon.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 9:01 am to DallasTiger45
Definitely under
Posted on 11/13/17 at 3:56 pm to partywiththelombardi
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The last 3 years I have taken the over. This year I am taking the under. You're welcome Saints Talk.
Super Breauxmo fondling yourself level bumpity bump.
We are all witnesses.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 4:03 pm to partywiththelombardi
This was a good thread. I just skimmed it. Bone and Wicked Wayz get the W for rocking out the hardest on predicting the season
Posted on 11/13/17 at 4:06 pm to partywiththelombardi
I'm glad I didn't post in this thread.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 4:11 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
quote:
Definitely under
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:36 pm to Hoodoo Man
I'm glad I did though
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