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Reviewing the NFC South Draft
Posted on 5/10/17 at 10:53 am
Posted on 5/10/17 at 10:53 am
Discussion of what other teams did...
dirty birds- McKinley could be another pass rusher but he looks like a low floor also. Riley maybe snatched right before. Overall, hohum but Quinn does have them going in a good direction building the D.
bucs- loading up more weapons for Winston. Howard and Godwin could make waves right off the bat. Critical year for Winston's development and direction. I don't see any help for their D to get better tho.
kitty kats- Thought we would see some threads on this one. They grabbed two high impact players that many wanted here. Adding both McCaffery AND Samuel could give their offense firepower we haven't seen before. I did think they needed more O line help.
Whaddya say?
dirty birds- McKinley could be another pass rusher but he looks like a low floor also. Riley maybe snatched right before. Overall, hohum but Quinn does have them going in a good direction building the D.
bucs- loading up more weapons for Winston. Howard and Godwin could make waves right off the bat. Critical year for Winston's development and direction. I don't see any help for their D to get better tho.
kitty kats- Thought we would see some threads on this one. They grabbed two high impact players that many wanted here. Adding both McCaffery AND Samuel could give their offense firepower we haven't seen before. I did think they needed more O line help.
Whaddya say?
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:06 am to blueslover
McCaffery is an odd fit for their offense. It'll be interesting to see how they use him. He would've fit nicely in the saints offense but not sure about the panthers.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:19 am to blueslover
they had a few threads about the kitty cats, most agree they don't have a fit for McCaffery and it was a strange pick seeing as how they would have to completely change everything they do "and how cam plays" to make the best of his skills.
I agree with most of the pundits that Carolina could have drafted much better and didn't see where they improved much if at all
I agree with most of the pundits that Carolina could have drafted much better and didn't see where they improved much if at all
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:20 am to blueslover
I think the Falcons were idiots to trade up for McKinley. There was a good shot he would be there at their pick, or someone else who was good (TJ Watt will be far better). I don't really care for the Riley pick. I guess we'll see. Quinn has made a lot of good defensive picks for them recently.
Bucs are going to be mighty dangerous IMO. I've long been a pretty big proponent of Winston (pre-draft especially). I think in the end he will end up being one of, if not the, best QBs in the league once the old guard retires. This year will be a huge step for him. Would not be surprised to see them sweep the rest of the division aside like ants.
A lot of people question the scheme fit for McCaffrey in Carolina, but IMO it was a fantastic move. McCaffrey is an even better fit than LF for them, I think. They already have Cam in the backfield to make opposing teams pull defenders into the box. They already have space freed up in the short-middle, but the problem is that Cam has no one to throw to there (he also sucks at throwing, but that is a different argument). He certainly does now. I think the Panthers are going to have our number for a while after this unless we find some speed at LB.
Bucs are going to be mighty dangerous IMO. I've long been a pretty big proponent of Winston (pre-draft especially). I think in the end he will end up being one of, if not the, best QBs in the league once the old guard retires. This year will be a huge step for him. Would not be surprised to see them sweep the rest of the division aside like ants.
A lot of people question the scheme fit for McCaffrey in Carolina, but IMO it was a fantastic move. McCaffrey is an even better fit than LF for them, I think. They already have Cam in the backfield to make opposing teams pull defenders into the box. They already have space freed up in the short-middle, but the problem is that Cam has no one to throw to there (he also sucks at throwing, but that is a different argument). He certainly does now. I think the Panthers are going to have our number for a while after this unless we find some speed at LB.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 11:21 am
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:28 am to blueslover
quote:Beckwith and Kwon. Jones and Riley. Both defenses on the up and up. Coincidence? I think not.
I don't see any help for their D to get better tho.
Falcons get a C-
Bucs get a A-
Panthers get a B+
Saints get a A-
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 11:33 am
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:31 am to Rand AlThor
the kats additions on offense scare me the most. Implementation will be critical but as far as added tools it gets a wowza from me. They have other issues but adding two skill set guys like that would be like if the Saints added say, Barnett AND Taco.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:33 am to blueslover
Overall I thought that while they got good players, they ignored glaring needs that weren't addressed in FA either.
All of them need Oline help and I think the earliest any of them drafted an Olineman was the third, and iirc none of them brought in legit starters in FA.
Make no mistake Atl's oline success had more to do with them being healthy and cohesive than them being great.
Atl's defense still needs lots of help, and they added more speed to it in an attempt to recreate Seattle's D. But the guys they brought in have huge bust potential (though I do love Tak's upside). They also lost their Off. Coordinator, which will be a bigger blow than most may think.
Carolina lost their Def. Coordinator, and their secondary is in shambles. Instead of addressing that they brought in more toys Cam may not even play nice with. I have no doubt those guys can be good, but do they think they can beat teams in shootouts now? Because with that secondary and depleting Dline they are going to have to. And how does Kuechley come back from yet another terrible concussion.
TB probably had the best D in the division (stats wise at least). And they did a great job adding some pieces for Winston. But they had probably the worst Oline in the division and failed to address that, so despite the nice offensive pieces Winston won't have much time to get the ball to them.
Overall I thought we had the best offseason in our division, though TB had a good one too. I expect both Atl and Car to take steps backs.
All of them need Oline help and I think the earliest any of them drafted an Olineman was the third, and iirc none of them brought in legit starters in FA.
Make no mistake Atl's oline success had more to do with them being healthy and cohesive than them being great.
Atl's defense still needs lots of help, and they added more speed to it in an attempt to recreate Seattle's D. But the guys they brought in have huge bust potential (though I do love Tak's upside). They also lost their Off. Coordinator, which will be a bigger blow than most may think.
Carolina lost their Def. Coordinator, and their secondary is in shambles. Instead of addressing that they brought in more toys Cam may not even play nice with. I have no doubt those guys can be good, but do they think they can beat teams in shootouts now? Because with that secondary and depleting Dline they are going to have to. And how does Kuechley come back from yet another terrible concussion.
TB probably had the best D in the division (stats wise at least). And they did a great job adding some pieces for Winston. But they had probably the worst Oline in the division and failed to address that, so despite the nice offensive pieces Winston won't have much time to get the ball to them.
Overall I thought we had the best offseason in our division, though TB had a good one too. I expect both Atl and Car to take steps backs.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:35 am to blueslover
Their offense is nothing but Olsen over the middle, Samuel underneath, and McCaffery out of the backfield. That offense doesn't scare me at all, for the upcoming season at least. They, not even arguably, have the worst and least potent offense in the NFCS.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:59 am to WhoDatTigahsTampa
That Benjamin guy is pretty good
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:32 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
And their QB is arguably top-3 dual threats of all time
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:33 pm to blueslover
quote:
Whaddya say?
Once again we are in the most schizo division in the league
I believe one could put these four teams in ANY order of finish and be spot on.
atl. Super bowl hang over? Lost OC. Defense looks to be a bit better.
kittens. What Cam will emerge behind that o-line? Good weapons added on offense. Lost DC.
bucs. Does crablegs continue to improve with added weapons? Very good draft.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:33 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Yup, but they lost their 3rd leading receiver, and that other guy (Funchess) hasn't panned out so far.
So while they added pieces, they also lost Ginn and Tolbert. Tolbert was big in the run game blocking for Newton and Stewart.
So while they added pieces, they also lost Ginn and Tolbert. Tolbert was big in the run game blocking for Newton and Stewart.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:45 pm to blueslover
Atlanta could have a pretty scary defense soon.
Bucs could have a pretty scary offense soon.
Panthers I think helped out offense a bit but their defense isn't what it was.
Bucs could have a pretty scary offense soon.
Panthers I think helped out offense a bit but their defense isn't what it was.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 1:25 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:
Panthers I think helped out offense a bit but their defense isn't what it was.
Also the future of their all-pro LB Luke Kuechly is in jeopardy. I think if he gets one more concussion he will retire. Not his fault, some people are just more prone to concussions. They lose him and that's a huge hit since they no longer have Klein.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 1:53 pm to blueslover
none of them drafted online because no one in the division has a pass rush anyone has to worry about aside of maybe Debo and the rb has the protection most of the time.
....makes me reminisce on the old days when the nfl south used to draft solely to stop Mike Vick and still couldn't
....makes me reminisce on the old days when the nfl south used to draft solely to stop Mike Vick and still couldn't
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 2:05 pm to Musa I of Mali
quote:
none of them drafted online because no one in the division has a pass rush anyone has to worry about aside of maybe Debo
Vic Beasley lead the league in sacks last year and you just mentioned Debo Jones as the pass rusher people are worried about. He didn't record a sack last year
Posted on 5/10/17 at 2:32 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
Make no mistake Atl's oline success had more to do with them being healthy and cohesive than them being great.
I've been saying this a lot myself. I think they led the league in snaps played by their 5 OL starters.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 3:05 pm to blueslover
I really like Atlanta 's young defense. They are very fast and are adding young speed everywhere. I think Quinn is a great coach that REALLY knows defensive personnel and hate that he's in the division for the foreseeable future. I think they are pretty far and away the most complete team in a division and league with very few complete teams. The big question will be can they get past an all time horrific end to a season. If they can put it in the past, then I think the division is theres to lose.
I think the two multi tool offensive players for Carolina could either prove incredibly difficult to game plan against or struggle mightily to all coexist. I think the former is more likely and they probably have a clear idea of where they want to go with these guys and Benjamin. I just don't see Ginn and Tolbert as big losses than can't be easily replaced. Their defense though should be pretty easy to exploit this year.
Tampa is putting together the scariest group of weapons in the division but are dependent upon Jameis taking the next step. I think there will be weeks where they look like the scariest team in the division and weeks where they may struggle. I see some real shootouts with them.
I love our draft. I think it has potential to be the best one since 06 by a good bit. We addressed so many needs. I think we're a 3rd wr short of having an offense that truly terrifies the league like 2011 but I think we're very close. Think it may take better portion of this season to truly gel with the young players, but I think our secondary should be really good going forward. Kamara is going to make such a massive impact for us people will look back and laugh in retrospect for questioning the move.
I think the two multi tool offensive players for Carolina could either prove incredibly difficult to game plan against or struggle mightily to all coexist. I think the former is more likely and they probably have a clear idea of where they want to go with these guys and Benjamin. I just don't see Ginn and Tolbert as big losses than can't be easily replaced. Their defense though should be pretty easy to exploit this year.
Tampa is putting together the scariest group of weapons in the division but are dependent upon Jameis taking the next step. I think there will be weeks where they look like the scariest team in the division and weeks where they may struggle. I see some real shootouts with them.
I love our draft. I think it has potential to be the best one since 06 by a good bit. We addressed so many needs. I think we're a 3rd wr short of having an offense that truly terrifies the league like 2011 but I think we're very close. Think it may take better portion of this season to truly gel with the young players, but I think our secondary should be really good going forward. Kamara is going to make such a massive impact for us people will look back and laugh in retrospect for questioning the move.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 3:37 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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you just mentioned Debo Jones as the pass rusher people are worried about. He didn't record a sack last year
So fricking typical of this board "X LSU player is fricking elite at ____" .... Has never done ____
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