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Posted on 3/26/15 at 8:06 am to LSU1018
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Generally it wouldn't be a big deal to fail a drug test but you have to be a complete idiot to fail the drug test at the combine. You know you are getting tested.
Exactly.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 8:08 am to Meateye
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It will be legal nationwide before then anyway. Its already legal in 9 states. The whole thing that gets me is how can you punish someone who plays for Seattle, the Broncos or the Redskins for smoking when its now 100% legal for recreational use in those states?
Doesn't matter? Your employer says no weed or you are fired. We pay you millions and if you follow the rules then your good. You don't follow them then you are fined and or fired. Pretty simple, at least I think. I mean I don't smoke, but I could give a rats arse if someone else does. Just keep it away from me b/c it's not my thing. That being said, it's illegal in most states and illegal where the NFL is based. So, it's company policy. Again, I think of it just like a normal company. Company rules say you get drug tested and you have drugs in your system the same thing happens. They aren't special just b/c they are athletes.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 8:10 am to Meateye
Because it's still against the rules. Alcohol is legal. Granted it leaves your system a lot faster, but you can't have it in your system at work.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 8:15 am to SaintEB
Yup.... Can't be drunk at work, can't be high either....
Posted on 3/26/15 at 8:22 am to HebertFest08
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his whole pot isn't bad thing is getting out of hand. Rules are rules, you telling me it's okay for a neurosurgeon to come in high as a kite to do a surgery on your spine?
WOW
Coming in HARD with that slippery slope fallacy
Posted on 3/26/15 at 8:26 am to HebertFest08
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This whole pot isn't bad thing is getting out of hand. Rules are rules, you telling me it's okay for a neurosurgeon to come in high as a kite to do a surgery on your spine?
Because a football player smoking pot in the offseason is the exact same as a neurosurgeon getting high before surgery?
ETA - way to knock that straw man down
This post was edited on 3/26/15 at 8:28 am
Posted on 3/26/15 at 8:35 am to NOFOX
If I am a GM, owner, coach etc. I am definitely taking a chance on him. For the dinosaur front offices that are viewing pot from a caveman's perspective that will be their loss. Any progressive thinking front office would understand the leash on marijuana infractions is loosening every day. Even the NFL understands this and is slowly going to a more acceptable marijuana policy, and those doors will only open wider each year.
LINK /
Above is an article from last year when the NFL changed their infractions and threshold for testing positive for THC. For those not wanting to read the whole article please take this commentary:
"It’s a small win for common sense. The NFL’s War on Weed is increasingly out of step with both medical science and the culture at large. By relaxing its marijuana policy, the NFL is better aligning itself with contemporary America"
LINK /
Above is an article from last year when the NFL changed their infractions and threshold for testing positive for THC. For those not wanting to read the whole article please take this commentary:
"It’s a small win for common sense. The NFL’s War on Weed is increasingly out of step with both medical science and the culture at large. By relaxing its marijuana policy, the NFL is better aligning itself with contemporary America"
Posted on 3/26/15 at 8:36 am to HebertFest08
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you telling me it's okay for a neurosurgeon to come in high as a kite to do a surgery on your spine?
Can substitute drunk/alcohol in your example, and have the same answer. I do agree though that this is more about following the rules of your employer than it is the danger of weed. He's already in phase 1 of the NFL drug abuse program. If he fails one more test, he's suspended for two games. I would be pretty excited if this guy fell to the Saints, but I won't blame them for passing on him either.
This post was edited on 3/26/15 at 8:38 am
Posted on 3/26/15 at 8:36 am to HollierThanThou
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I was reasonable. I didn't say 31, i said 13.
I was just playing man
Posted on 3/26/15 at 8:51 am to NOFOX
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Because a football player smoking pot in the offseason is the exact same as a neurosurgeon getting high before surgery?
I don't think anyone thinks this. You are twisting his poor example to make him look bad. I don't even think anyone is saying that they expect football players to show up to games high/drunk. Fact is that weed/drugs are against the rules. Regardless if it is legal to smoke, employers have the right to not allow it. The NFL doesn't allow it. He broke the rules and may end up missing out on multiple millions of dollars.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:01 am to SaintEB
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don't think anyone thinks this. You are twisting his poor example to make him look bad. I
No, you are twisting his terrible example and argument to make him look good
And can we get past the "rules is rules" discussion? There has always been dumb rules in life and plenty go up for debate every year, it's not very productive to just yell out "ITS A RULE END OF STORY" anytime anyone questions it.
The rule is just hilariously bad when we are talking about a league that takes a blind eye to steroids (which I'm cool with), took a huge blind eye to domestic violence before wayyyy over correcting and stepping over due process, also treats DUIs like a traffic ticket and has a completely arbitrary punishment system
There's something wrong with that and it deserves a discussion past the "IT IS A RULE. YOU MUST FOLLOW IT"
This post was edited on 3/26/15 at 9:03 am
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:21 am to wildtigercat93
I honestly believe a good portion of the players smoke regular and know how to get around it. You don't hear hardly any players getting busted it for it in NFL like you do in college.
They all let each other in on their secrets of how to get around it.
Comparing it to alcohol just because alcohol is legal is ridiculous. Alcohol had been proven to be the most dangerous drug on the planet numerous times.
So that said I hope they draft him at 13. But failing before combine does speak to the charterer issues I admit. They are putting a big emphasis on this so wouldn't be shocked if he fell past us at 13
They all let each other in on their secrets of how to get around it.
Comparing it to alcohol just because alcohol is legal is ridiculous. Alcohol had been proven to be the most dangerous drug on the planet numerous times.
So that said I hope they draft him at 13. But failing before combine does speak to the charterer issues I admit. They are putting a big emphasis on this so wouldn't be shocked if he fell past us at 13
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:24 am to HollierThanThou
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There's no way he should be drafted before 13
100% agree.
No way he should fall all the way to 14th either.
And yes the issue is maturity when you fail a test at the combine.
As to maskers and cleaners I doubt there are any good enough to fool the best of test. They could just pluck a hair as well and test it.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:31 am to Meateye
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it's time for NFL owners to take a stand against drug abuse. There's no way he should be drafted before 13.
I like your style! LMAO
You have to take this guy! They also said that he owned up to it and Herm Edwards is mentoring him. In my opinion he to good to pass up at the 13 spot.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:31 am to Meateye
Work out high, practice high, play high, get drafted high, right?
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:32 am to burdman
its ok if you beat your girlfriend... you just better not enjoy smoking weed.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:33 am to Meateye
quote:Alcohol is legal too, but they can be tested for it. They have to follow the rules of their employer.
It will be legal nationwide before then anyway. Its already legal in 9 states. The whole thing that gets me is how can you punish someone who plays for Seattle, the Broncos or the Redskins for smoking when its now 100% legal for recreational use in those states?
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:33 am to HebertFest08
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Rules are rules, you telling me it's okay for a neurosurgeon to come in high as a kite to do a surgery on your spine?
Having weed in your system =/= being high, bro.
THC is stored in your fat cells and can still be detected weeks after you smoked. It's a joke.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:33 am to grillcheese14
quote:Oh good.
Herm Edwards is mentoring him.
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