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re: Rafael Bush signs offer sheet with Falcons.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 5:58 pm to Indfanfromcol
Posted on 4/3/14 at 5:58 pm to Indfanfromcol
Lose/Lose situation for the Saints. Match the offer and further jack up the salary cap, or don't and he goes to the Falcons.
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:03 pm to GMoney2600
quote:We did and it was a calculated gamble. I thought it was a bad gamble because he had too much film on him for someone not to see starting potential in him.
We better not have screwed this one up by giving him the lowest tender. Falcons would get a legit starting safety and we don't get any compensation. This would be a kick in the nuts. Hopefully we can match.
That said, we were slammed against the cap at that point and it seems they were squeezing.
My guess is they felt good about being able to get Byrd all along though, and the Ball signing happened too close to this for that not to have been a plan B.
The question is what does the offer look like and will the Saints match. If it's in the $2.5m, we actually lose money on the cap if we match as opposed to just giving him the 2nd round tender in the first place. That was my main problem with the decision is that it was too easy to get screwed over one way or another with it.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:03 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
He's valuable to this defense. Ryan loves to use 3 safety sets.
I like the way the guy plays. Match the offer.
I like the way the guy plays. Match the offer.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:04 pm to SaintEB
quote:Was. We didn't sign him after the season and he is with another team.
Jordan Pugh is on the PS
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:06 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
Atlantahas about double the capspace as the Saints and can easily offer him a first year salary cap hit that the saints just can't match if they front load his contract.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:08 pm to THRILLHO
Arthur Blank put his hands in Benson's Bush for the last time
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:09 pm to Breesus
I don't know the details of this but will the saints get a pick out of this or is this just a straight signing?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:10 pm to bonethug0108
Again, the 3 safety thing was overblown and I even dug into every team to see who was doing it and why.
Had PRob not gone down in the second game he was going to get as many, if not more than, the amount of snaps of the 3rd safety. Then White actually started getting more snaps than the 3rd safety until Greer went down and he had to start.
Circumstance(injuries) and quality(Jenkins, Harper, Vaccaro, and Bush vs. Lewis, Greer, and White) were the reasons we went with 3 safeties over 3 corners. We felt the depth was better, especially after the injuries.
And every other team that used more 3 safeties than corners had injuries like us except 1.
Had PRob not gone down in the second game he was going to get as many, if not more than, the amount of snaps of the 3rd safety. Then White actually started getting more snaps than the 3rd safety until Greer went down and he had to start.
Circumstance(injuries) and quality(Jenkins, Harper, Vaccaro, and Bush vs. Lewis, Greer, and White) were the reasons we went with 3 safeties over 3 corners. We felt the depth was better, especially after the injuries.
And every other team that used more 3 safeties than corners had injuries like us except 1.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:12 pm to MrJimBeam
quote:If he was going to cost a pick he wouldn't have been signed. So no we get nothing. For another $1.2m would could have guaranteed him staying or at least got a 2nd rounder, which imo would have been worth it.
I don't know the details of this but will the saints get a pick out of this or is this just a straight signing?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:12 pm to THRILLHO
frick
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:19 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
quote:
Lose/Lose situation for the Saints. Match the offer and further jack up the salary cap, or don't and he goes to the Falcons.
Not really
We have arguably the best safety duo in the NFL and this doesn't change that
Bush is a good player but not anything worth losing sleep over.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:20 pm to DEANintheYAY
Reading their forum, and I don't know why I did. They are literally the most ignorant and obnoxious fanbase around. They are so poorly represented on their page, I would be embarrassed to be a Falcons fan.
Our 3/4 string safety signs a deal with them and they act like this is equivalent to us signing Byrd...and a few said they'd rather have Bush!
Apparently we just let them have the next great safety. frick their fanbase is sad and desperate. Loomis just got Demitroffed?
If we match? Great. If we don't? Oh well. Bush was a solid backup but that's all he really is. Enjoy our scraps, Falcon fans.
Our 3/4 string safety signs a deal with them and they act like this is equivalent to us signing Byrd...and a few said they'd rather have Bush!
Apparently we just let them have the next great safety. frick their fanbase is sad and desperate. Loomis just got Demitroffed?
If we match? Great. If we don't? Oh well. Bush was a solid backup but that's all he really is. Enjoy our scraps, Falcon fans.
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Exactly. Stealing a 26 year old stud from a division rival may end up being the best move in what looks to be our busiest offseason ever.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:21 pm to LSUZombie
I liked him as a player, but I think a lot of people kinda over hyped him after he made that huge hit on Percy Harvin in the playoffs.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:25 pm to GMoney2600
quote:
We better not have screwed this one up by giving him the lowest tender. Falcons would get a legit starting safety and we don't get any compensation. This would be a kick in the nuts. Hopefully we can match.
this is to stupid for words...Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:26 pm to hg
Nah I was high on him before that hit. He's solid in coverage(best we had after Vaccaro last year) and can tackle(very few missed tackles), and that's what you want in a safety.
He definitely has starter potential. He basically was our 11th starter as he had the 11th most snaps(52.7%).
He definitely has starter potential. He basically was our 11th starter as he had the 11th most snaps(52.7%).
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:27 pm to LSUZombie
quote:
Reading their forum, and I don't know why I did. They are literally the most ignorant and obnoxious fanbase around. They are so poorly represented on their page, I would be embarrassed to be a Falcons fan.
They are easily the stupidest most ignorant fan base in America...
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:28 pm to bonethug0108
Another reason I'm upset(not really) is because I told my buddy at work we had the trifecta in our backfield: a bird, a ball, and a bush. Looks like we might get our bush shaved.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:30 pm to bonethug0108
Thanks for the response. It does kind of suck losing a good player like that, but with byrd signing and vacarro on the roster, he would see nearly as much playing time as he would on most other rosters. It just sucks he went to a rival.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:31 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
Looks like we might get our bush shaved.
frick.
i like him, agree he has starting potential but that won't be here. want to see the offer sheet but i feel we let him go.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:33 pm to bonethug0108
A Byrd in the hand is worth two of the Bush.
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